tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post9141768929665761051..comments2024-03-25T14:09:59.347-05:00Comments on Augoeides: The Greater Ritual of the HexagramScott Stenwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-24302556264312076092024-03-01T20:12:01.376-06:002024-03-01T20:12:01.376-06:00All the attributions I use are from Liber 777. You...All the attributions I use are from Liber 777. You can find an online version here:<br /><br />https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib777<br /><br />Note that the angels of the zodiac signs are listed in the "Geomantic Intelligences" column, which is kind of misleading. Otherwise it's mostly straightforward.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-36532771534027904432024-02-27T12:47:26.310-06:002024-02-27T12:47:26.310-06:00Hey Scott,
once more thanks for the thorough answ...Hey Scott, <br />once more thanks for the thorough answer. <br />That's precisely the Kether symbol I actually thought of. <br />Oddly, some books recommend a simple white dot (like the Sol symbol minus the circle) . <br /><br />I wish some of the best sellers on Magick were more like this blog. <br /><br />Do you know where I can find all the names of the Planets/Paths, the Sephiroth, and the Signs?<br /><br />As far as I know, the last only have a permutation and an angel. <br /><br />I'll be happy if you let me know. <br /><br />Regards!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-37722559917756774552024-02-24T14:23:21.259-06:002024-02-24T14:23:21.259-06:00For the paths I go off Liber 777 for the base colo...For the paths I go off Liber 777 for the base color and use that for the hexagram. Then I trace the symbol in its complementary color. So Leo would be a slightly greenish yellow hexagram with a violet Leo sign. Violet is slightly reddish purple, so the complement of greenish yellow.<br /><br />That "Kether" symbol is for Pluto, and I don't recommend using it. Crowley originally laid out the supernals with Uranus mapped to Chockmah and Neptune mapped to Kether in the 1920's. When Pluto was discovered, he moved Uranus into Daath and assigned Pluto to Kether, which as I see it is not a good set of associations.<br /><br />But then Pluto gets demoted and is no longer a planet because there are a bunch of similar objects out in the Kuipper belt. That's why the "dwarf planet" thing makes sense, because Pluto is fundamentally different even though we didn't realize it back when it was discovered. So I use the earlier 1920's attributions as far as those planets go.<br /><br />The Primum Mobile symbol that I use is similar to a swastika, but spinning in the opposite direction and with rounded corners so it looks like a swirl. You can find it here.<br /><br />https://ananael.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-path-of-initiation-kether.html<br /><br />The number of knocks for the signs are always the number of the sephirah mapped to the sign's ruling planet. The key scale number is really only Qabalistically relevant for the sephiroth, not the paths. The paths are given those key scale numbers for convenience, not because they're magically relevant. So here is what you use:<br /><br />Aries and Scorpio - 5 (Mars)<br />Taurus and Libra - 7 (Venus)<br />Gemini and Virgo - 8 (Mercury)<br />Cancer - 9 (Moon)<br />Leo - 6 (Sun)<br />Sagittarius and Pisces - 4 (Jupiter)<br />Capricorn and Aquarius - 3 (Saturn)<br /><br />Path 21 is Jupiter, so 4 is the correct number. 21 has no special magical relevance, it's just the key scale number. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-2747815039287037222024-02-24T05:46:17.773-06:002024-02-24T05:46:17.773-06:00Hey Scott,
Thanks for the reply!
Paths:
I unders...Hey Scott, <br />Thanks for the reply!<br /><br />Paths:<br />I understand the path's colors are attributed to the signs' practical aspects. So, Leo is a greenish-yellow hexagram with a red/scarlet Leo Sign? Right? I am asking because some sources recommend a yellow hexagram and violet Leo sign for Leo. <br /><br />Kether<br />I also wonder if the Kether symbol (often) found on the Internet, partially resembling Mercury's, won't do as well. Otherwise, doesn't the symbol of Primum Mobile resemble an original swastika, and where can I actually find it. <br /><br />Knocks:<br />Lastly, how many knocks/rings before the signs' practical aspect; for the mystical, I assume these are two as Chokmah is number 2. <br /><br />Writing this made me wonder if using 4 knocks for the 21 Path (Kaph) is really appropriate or if 21 is even more so. <br /><br />I wonder what is your take on these. And I'd be very glad if you let me know. <br /><br />Regards!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-27880147099236425122024-02-18T14:48:56.884-06:002024-02-18T14:48:56.884-06:00I am not sure what you mean by not following the T...I am not sure what you mean by not following the Tree scale.<br /><br />The practical aspects of the signs are attributed to their corresponding paths. Because they are paths, they use the King Scale for the path from Liber 777.<br /><br />If you mean the sephirothic scale, then yes, they are different - but paths are part of the Tree of Life just as much as the sephiroth are.<br /><br />Or do you mean something else by Tree Scale?Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-87512305537783300212024-02-16T12:25:50.272-06:002024-02-16T12:25:50.272-06:00Thank you so much.
But considering the colors of...Thank you so much. <br /><br />But considering the colors of the practical Zodiac Hexagram, they don't seem to follow and of the Tree scales. <br /><br />Is that correct?Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-49489767569063029992024-02-14T11:59:35.727-06:002024-02-14T11:59:35.727-06:00Yes, sephirothic zodiac signs are always Chockmah ...Yes, sephirothic zodiac signs are always Chockmah - grey, Saturn hexagram. The only difference is the symbol of the sign drawn in the center, which is also grey.<br /><br />I do the natural path color (King Scale) for the hexagrams and the complement for the symbol of the sign. But I also can see where doing both in the natural color could work, it's just not the way I do it.<br /><br />Leo is the only sign ruled by the Sun. Its natural color (King Scale) is yellow with a slight greenish tint.<br /><br />You're very welcome! I try to make as much information available as I can.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-88585131829197545492024-02-12T12:26:26.658-06:002024-02-12T12:26:26.658-06:00Thanks again!
I went through the post and its oth...Thanks again!<br /><br />I went through the post and its other parts. It's unreal how much information your blog offers. What I'd like to know is that: <br />Do the zodiac signs mystical aspects (Chokmah colors) also use Saturn hexagrams, or they stick to their ruling planets' hexagrams just in grey (Chokmah) colors. <br /><br />When doing the paths of Zodiac signs, do I trace both the hexagram and the signs in Natural Path colors, or rather use the Natural Path colors (king scale) only for the hexagram and the complementary ones for the signs.<br /><br />Lastly, what colors use the signs ruled by the Sun. <br /><br />I'll be happy if you let me know. <br /><br />Once more, thanks for your amazing contribution! Your blog includes so many things bestselling books should actually include!<br /><br />Regards! Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-32557590502495613282024-02-09T13:37:33.186-06:002024-02-09T13:37:33.186-06:00All the zodiac signs are sephirothically attribute...All the zodiac signs are sephirothically attributed to Chockmah, so you use the Chockmah colors (grey/grey) when working with the signs sephirothically for mystical operations.<br /><br />When working with the signs by path for practical powers, you use the King Scale colors like you do for all the other paths. As shown here:<br /><br />https://ananael.blogspot.com/search/label/zodiacal%20work<br /><br />Those posts lay out all 12 zodiacal operations including the colors for the GRH.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-62629752393384081802024-02-09T10:15:12.910-06:002024-02-09T10:15:12.910-06:00Thanks. I got that for Chokmah, I asked about the ...Thanks. I got that for Chokmah, I asked about the mystical/sephirothic way for the Zodiac signs. Are they exactly like Chokmah in terms of color, or does the sign follow the path color, Queen scale, I assume?<br /><br />Regards!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-83292630556039628362024-02-08T17:51:51.553-06:002024-02-08T17:51:51.553-06:00Yes, grey is its own complement, so both the hexag...Yes, grey is its own complement, so both the hexagrams and sigils should be grey for Chockmah.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-21792993734224295672024-02-07T12:57:56.920-06:002024-02-07T12:57:56.920-06:00Hey, one more think.
Does this mean, the sephirot...Hey, one more think. <br />Does this mean, the sephirotic zodiac sigils have the same Chokmah grey color, or they use different ones?Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-56870598456926337252024-02-07T09:49:46.780-06:002024-02-07T09:49:46.780-06:00Thank you so much! I appreciate the clarificationThank you so much! I appreciate the clarificationPetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-1213254288894462462024-02-07T09:47:46.054-06:002024-02-07T09:47:46.054-06:00Yes, for Chockmah both the sigil and hexagram are ...Yes, for Chockmah both the sigil and hexagram are grey. Paths use King Scale, Sephiroth use Queen Scale. I call those the "natural colors" for those Paths/Sephiroth in my writings, so if you see me use that term, that's what I mean. The Sun hexagram is drawn in yellow or orange, not multiple colors.<br /><br />I post what I do, so I use King Scale for the signs of the zodiac and Queen Scale for Chockmah (always grey) for their sephirothic aspects. Sephirothic zodiac hexagrams always are traced like Saturn, always in grey, and the godname is always JAH. The only difference between is the sigil of the sign.<br /><br /> Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-28888943125719380832024-02-07T08:07:56.913-06:002024-02-07T08:07:56.913-06:00Dear Scott,
Thank you for this thorough reply.
...Dear Scott, <br />Thank you for this thorough reply. <br /><br />I assume Chokmah's color is grey (both hexagram and sigil)<br /><br />Otherwise, the paths/planets use the King and Sephiroth Queen scale for both the hexagram and sigil. Is that correct?<br />Regarding the Sun/Tiphereth, are the 6 planetary hexagrams in identical colors, or do they use those of the path sephira: yellow and orange. <br /><br />Lastly, the zodiac signs follow the same scale for hexagram and sigil; according to some sources, they do, and according to others, they don't. Luckily there's your blog, one can always trust. <br /><br />ThanksPetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-3056745545558149802024-02-05T09:16:05.755-06:002024-02-05T09:16:05.755-06:00For Chockmah I do the GRH like this:
1. Trace the...For Chockmah I do the GRH like this:<br /><br />1. Trace the Invoking Hexagram of Saturn in Gray while vibrating ARARITA (ah-rah-ree-tah). The Hexagram of Saturn is used for all three supernals, but with different colors for each. The Invoking Hexagram of Saturn is traced by starting at the top point and tracing the first triangle clockwise, and then moving on to the bottom point and tracing the second triangle clockwise from there.<br />2. Trace the symbol of the zodiac in the center of the hexagram in gray while vibrating YAH. This symbol is a wheel that is similar to the wheel of spirit, but divided into twelve sections instead of eight.<br /><br />Chockmah is the sephira of the zodiac, so something like Venus wouldn't necessarily fit.<br /><br />For Kether I do it like this:<br /><br />1. Trace the Invoking Hexagram of Saturn in brilliant white while vibrating ARARITA (ah-rah-ree-tah). The Hexagram of Saturn is used for all three supernals, but with different colors for each. The Invoking Hexagram of Saturn is traced by starting at the top point and tracing the first triangle clockwise, and then moving on to the bottom point and tracing the second triangle clockwise from there.<br />2. Trace the symbol of the primum mobile in the center of the hexagram in deep black while vibrating EHEIEH. This symbol is usually drawn as a spiral with four arms that meet in the center.<br /><br />Kether is the sephira of the primum mobile, so again, not sure that using a planet like Mars would fit.<br /><br />That being said, I haven't tried using planet symbols like that so I'm not sure how (or if) it would work. If you want to try working that way, experimentation is likely required to see if it's useful or not.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-50653582483952300182024-01-30T11:34:57.618-06:002024-01-30T11:34:57.618-06:00Hey Scott,
Thank you for this thorough explicatio...Hey Scott, <br />Thank you for this thorough explication of GIRH and the treasure of practical information that is your blog. <br /><br />Considering that the GD recommends Saturn/Binah hexagrams for also working with Chokmah and Kether with SRH, I wonder if that can apply to GIRH? I wonder because I found some sources outlining such rites while using Venus hexagrams for Chokmah (+ sigil of Chokmah or spirit spokes wheel) and Mars/Geburah hexagrams (+ dot Kether sigil ) for Kether. I wonder what is your take on that. <br />Regards!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-33482651059966012632022-07-09T21:55:23.611-05:002022-07-09T21:55:23.611-05:00One of the differences between the Golden Dawn sys...One of the differences between the Golden Dawn system and the Thelemic system is that the Golden Dawn system uses the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram for zodiac signs, while in the Thelemic system we use the Greater Ritual of the Hexagram for zodiac signs. So I'm familiar with that method, but it's not the method that I use.<br /><br />Technically a sign can be thought of as element plus modality (cardinal, fixed, mutable) just as easily as it can be thought of as planet plus sect (diurnal or nocturnal). So there's no reason to think that the Golden Dawn method wouldn't work. I just don't have much experience with it myself.<br /><br />Probably the closest thing to get you to a Kether state is formless meditation, like dzogchen or mahamudra is considered the "highest level" practice in Tibetan Buddhism. The problem with any specific ritual is that in the Kether state there is no difference between subject and object, so anything like ritual methods or tools will distract from that realization.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-27549380803003843242022-07-09T16:17:32.439-05:002022-07-09T16:17:32.439-05:00I mean do your know about Greater Pentagram ritua...I mean do your know about Greater Pentagram rituals doing it with Zodiac singns ,it s smiliar to Elevenfold Rite?Bishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194620822742067849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-87019209947307986632022-07-09T16:13:37.284-05:002022-07-09T16:13:37.284-05:00
In some variations of Greater Pentagram zodiac si...<br />In some variations of Greater Pentagram zodiac sings are used,for example a Zodiac Sing of Aquaris in the East ?<br /><br />Is there a ritual that would let you to feel Kether State of Union temporally?Bishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194620822742067849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-21184549977512100132021-11-19T15:15:53.785-06:002021-11-19T15:15:53.785-06:00You are very welcome!
I do not have all the diffe...You are very welcome!<br /><br />I do not have all the different versions of how different people trace the unicursal on here. I don't think there's a general consensus among practitioners, so we are to some extent at a "try it and see what works" perspective at this time.<br /><br />Here's the Comselh Ananael Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram. You can see me do it in the videos of the various elixir rites.<br /><br />https://ananael.blogspot.com/2014/12/comselh-ananael-lesser-ritual-of.html<br /><br />Glad to hear that the material is working for you!Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-57131119233577571732021-11-19T04:32:04.653-06:002021-11-19T04:32:04.653-06:00Well, then it’s my mistake.
Thank you so much for ...Well, then it’s my mistake.<br />Thank you so much for this reply. It clarified so much!<br /><br />Do you have all the Unicursal hexagrams on your blog? I found several options on how to trace them, and that gets me puzzled. <br /><br />Also, is there a post on your blog with your version of the rite. I’m really curious to give it a try. <br /><br />All the things I implemented from your blog (about the different fields of operation, and not closing my rites with LBRP and LBRH) made an enormous difference. <br /><br />Once more, thanks! <br /><br />Stay Safe!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-49090071129966333782021-11-17T15:58:45.116-06:002021-11-17T15:58:45.116-06:00I do not recall saying anywhere that the unicursal...I do not recall saying anywhere that the unicursal cannot be a macrocosmic figure. In fact, I use it as a macrocosmic figure in the version of the LRH that my magical working group developed. So not sure where you are getting that.<br /><br />I know a number of Thelemic magicians who use the unicursal traced from the center point for the Sun and they report getting good results. Personally I stick with the unicursal for my version of the LRH and possibly the Star Sapphire - working on testing that now, even though I was recommending the standard hexagram in my old Star Sapphire article.<br /><br />When working with standard solar hexagram, I vibrate ARARITA as I draw each of the six hexagrams, and then trace the symbol of the Sun once while I vibrate the godname. You don't trace symbols for any of the other planets because you are not actually invoking them. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-17934233738933106102021-11-16T21:07:26.790-06:002021-11-16T21:07:26.790-06:00Thanks for the answers!
Now I understand. Chargin...Thanks for the answers!<br /><br />Now I understand. Charging a talisman definitely makes more sense.<br /><br />I know you don’t regard the unicursal hexagram as much of a macrocosmic symbol. But what do you think of using it for GIRH Sun?<br />Also if go I with the traditional GIRH Sun, stacking all planetary hexagrams on top of each other in each direction, do I have to trace the Sun symbol for each of them, or only do that once in each direction?<br /><br />Regards!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854492726017034812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-62219748440491062702021-11-15T15:07:45.422-06:002021-11-15T15:07:45.422-06:00You can do that as part of a specific operation, f...You can do that as part of a specific operation, for example if you want to do a Jupiter operation that spans four days or a Mars operation that spans five or whatever.<br /><br />One thing that's important to understand, though, is that the primary purpose of the GRH is to tune a magical working space so that you will have a proper environment in which to do magick related to a planet or sign. So this ritual by itself doesn't have a particularly powerful practical effect. If you want to cultivate characteristics specific to a planet, you are much better off doing something like a full planetary operation to create a talisman, which you would then charge with cultivating the characteristics that you want. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.com