tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post3134051733953484766..comments2024-03-25T14:09:59.347-05:00Comments on Augoeides: Thoughts on the Star RubyScott Stenwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-64913737003768655822022-08-29T10:09:29.752-05:002022-08-29T10:09:29.752-05:00That is the order that is specified in the Star Sa...That is the order that is specified in the Star Sapphire, and you certainly can do them that way in the Star Ruby. I know a couple of people off the top of my head who do them like that. I've experimented with several different arrangements, since it's not specified in the ritual.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-32136215725551111412022-08-29T06:49:01.089-05:002022-08-29T06:49:01.089-05:00Hi Scott, what do you think of this order for the ...Hi Scott, what do you think of this order for the NOX signs?<br />Geburah-Puer.<br />Chesed-Vir.<br />Abyss-Puella and Mulier.<br />Binah-Mater Triumphans.<br /><br />Basically I have put it in the ascending order of the tree of life associating each sphere to a sign.<br />All the best.Desmond G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12759842044027917921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-50435502604991135952022-07-26T19:18:15.148-05:002022-07-26T19:18:15.148-05:00I did not say that it would have zero effect. I me...I did not say that it would have zero effect. I mean, as I see it the effect is the point. I just have not encountered any problems or issues with those effects. I don't mean to be argumentative either - it's just that entity attraction and the idea that vegetarianism is especially spiritual are superstitions that I hear over and over again, sometimes even from other magical teachers, and I've never found either to be generally true.<br /><br />As far as your individual experiences go, it's absolutely true that they should be your guide more than anything you get from the Internet, including from me. People do react to magical forces and energies differently, and without a general theory of magick it is hard to work out absolutes.<br /><br />Visualizations of the classes of entities called on in the Star Ruby are unfortunately hard to come by. The source they are drawn from is Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster. This link is the version Crowley would have had access to, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find much in it with a simple search. You might have to just read through and see what insights you get.<br /><br />http://gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/grsm_chaldean.htm<br /><br />I don't think it's that different than the LRP in that respect. Both of them purify and banish the microcosm. The Star Ruby directs the energy a little further outwards (but not that much further outwards) so maybe the deal is that it isn't quite as concentrated in one place as in the LRP.<br /><br />The six-rayed star should be visualized the same way as in the LRP. A standard hexagram above you, a standard hexagram below you, and a column of light running between them centered on your body. <br /><br />Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-71211721686662588972022-07-26T17:29:03.072-05:002022-07-26T17:29:03.072-05:00im not sure that a practice that calls in massive ...im not sure that a practice that calls in massive amounts of light and energy into an individuals system could be said to have zero effect on how they register to beings in the prephysical worlds- maybe it could! either way awareness of the prephysical is a wild thing to adjust to, the turning the lights on in a dark room thing is true.<br /><br />i will recharacterize it this way as debate isnt my aim and this is more accurate; the boundary between my own awareness/consciousness and the influence/consciousness of other presences seems more firmly established using the star ruby, so that i feel more centered after working rather than more 'open.' i have used lrp & lrh in the operant model with success for a long time but within the last year or so had had to cut back on how frequently i work- i would be interested to see how astrological placements influence the effects of micro-macro rituals on individuals- being heavy in the 12th house and neptune aspects the delineation between I and "out there" is easier for me to lose track of. At least, that would fit with my experience of using pentagram and hexagram rituals in the context you lay them out. i definitely dont mean this as a generalization as anything said by anyone inherently has a 'in my experience' attached to it whether they intended it or not!<br /><br />as far as food consumed goes, i certainly dont think it's a blanket statement as ive had working partners on whom food seems to have no effect in this way and some that do. i have no ethical issues with meat, just a years-long dream record that maps very clearly in support of there being some effect of meat on where the radio dial is turned to in sleep- for me! i was simply positing this as something for others to note in their dream experiences and see if adjusting what you eat at night helps.<br /><br />and i meant visualizations for the four quarters spirits in the star ruby, if they differ at all. and im unclear, for the hexagram in this ritual is the holy hexagram visualized, or the elemental, the holy in star sapphire?<br /><br />i also have noticed no 'flushing' with the star ruby (ie heavy sweat and body heat associated with breathing exercises) whereas the lrp on its own (ie before middle pillar and circulations) would sometimes cause profuse sweating, sometimes not) im curious if the star ruby is less a focus on self purification and more strictly a banishing? was a grade associated with being taught the star ruby?Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06565467796695942805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-42371724560067368072022-07-26T11:59:31.410-05:002022-07-26T11:59:31.410-05:00A couple of points here. So-called entity attracti...A couple of points here. So-called entity attraction from doing daily magical practices is not a thing. What happens when you practice is that your psychic senses get activated and you start perceiving spirits around you that you were unable to perceive before - but they always have been there.<br /><br />Low vibrations stored in meat is another thing that gets tossed around but just isn't true. Consciousness permeates everything and plants have it too. There's no reason to think this wouldn't be true of anything we kill and consume. If you don't want to eat meat for ethical reasons that's fine, but there's no spiritual reason to avoid it.<br /><br />Hardly anybody finds the LBRP ungrounding - generally it's the opposite. If you find the Star Ruby more grounding you should go ahead and use it, but your reaction to the LRP is pretty unusual and shouldn't be generalized. And I've never heard anything about this "polarization" thing. I work with mostly angels and don't find it ungrounding in the slightest.<br /><br />The images of the angels in the LRP roughly match the elements. So you can think of Raphael as a man with wings dressed in yellow holding a caduceus staff, Michael as a man with wings dressed in red and holding a flaming sword, Gabriel as a woman with wings dressed in blue and holding a chalice, and Auriel as a woman with wings dressed in black or green and holding a pantacle or disk.<br /><br />It really makes a big difference to add an invoking component to the work with the LBRP/LIRH or Star Ruby/Star Sapphire as opposed to just banishing all the time. Whether you feel grounded or not, you aren't going to make a lot of spiritual progress if all you do is banish. To really evolve you have to invoke. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-17911874150657112432022-07-26T11:11:07.665-05:002022-07-26T11:11:07.665-05:00Hi Roth, thanks for mentioning me. What I like abo...Hi Roth, thanks for mentioning me. What I like about the star ruby is the point of aggressiveness that the LBRP does not have. In general, with the practices that I read from Scott I feel more "sane" than when I did the LBRP+LBRH everyday obsession. I felt more gone (?). I don't know if that would be the word, but I really like the arrangements a lot. LBRP+LIRH or Star ruby + star sapphireDesmond G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12759842044027917921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-5042711213789170812022-07-25T21:59:01.258-05:002022-07-25T21:59:01.258-05:00after five years of using the golden dawn forms, a...after five years of using the golden dawn forms, a week of performing this twice daily has me completely converted. even the cabalistic cross performed this way feels much smoother, more natural and more effective in its purpose regarding grounding/heart centering. ive had to limit my ceremonial practice to a few times a week in the past due to difficulty remaining grounded but, at least thus far, the star ruby offers much less difficulty transitioning from ritual space back to the mundane world while also fulfilling a protective purpose with a diminished degree of entity attraction- desmond's point resonates here. ive noticed the encounters i have in dreams and in waking, especially when more ritually active, has alot to do with the food i eat in the later half of the day. meat, and red meat to an even greater extent, consumed closer to bed really seems to land me in very unpleasant places with very unpleasant inhabitants- this even if ive done banishings before sleep. josephine campbell said that fear/pain/low vibrational stuff gets stored in meat and when we're taking in vast amounts of energy ritually, those frequencies get amplified as well.<br /><br />as far as the star ruby seeming more grounding, i have a guess this could be due the lack of angel invocation- ive read from a few different magicians that purely angelic work can be ungrounding if there isnt corresponding work with polarized spirits. which leads me to my main question regarding this ritual: with the invocation to the four corners of iunges through to daimons, and each's correspondence to the four worlds, are we invoking spirits of all sorts that are consonant to our wills, rather than just the four directional archangels? or are these also angelic/thus not polarized? and is there any insight as to a proper visualization for these calls? ive just been using intent instead of stressing an image and it works fine but i wouldnt mind filling that blank.Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06565467796695942805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-69534010415837098262022-03-04T04:59:20.478-06:002022-03-04T04:59:20.478-06:00Thanks for the post.
I think since 2019 I have pra...Thanks for the post.<br />I think since 2019 I have practiced the LBRP. The problem that I think the LBRP has is that it certainly cleanses the spider webs of the astral, but it also gives you a lot of light. So you wash off the dirt, but those responsible for the dirt can easily see you. The Star Ruby adds a point of aggressiveness necessary not only to break spider webs but also to hit them.<br />It is usually quite easy to have lucid dreams after doing LBRP and immediately go to sleep. The problem is that many times I have ended up dreaming of not very nice people. With the star ruby it has not been like that.<br />Thank you very much.Desmond G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12759842044027917921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-90818401473213846482020-02-09T13:08:56.536-06:002020-02-09T13:08:56.536-06:00To be clear, pentagram as microcosmic and hexagram...To be clear, pentagram as microcosmic and hexagram as macrocosmic is not a strict correlation in my system either - though I can see where some of the points I make could be read that way. The association depends on context - it holds when dealing with general (or "Lesser") rituals, but not once you are working with specific aspects ("Greater" rituals).<br /><br />So if you use this sequence:<br /><br />LBRP<br />LIRH<br />GIRP - Fire<br /><br />You are working with macrocosmic fire because you set the "scope" of your operation to macrocosmic with the LIRH. But if you do this sequence:<br /><br />LBRP<br />GIRP - Fire<br /><br />You get the microcosmic aspect of fire because your scope remains microcosmic with the LRP only. So no, just because Fire (and the other elements) are associated with the pentagram, that doesn't make them strictly macrocosmic. Likewise, this sequence:<br /><br />LBRP<br />GIRH - Jupiter<br /><br />Will bring in the microcosmic aspect of Jupiter, even though the planets are associated with the hexagram. Macrocosmic Jupiter would be:<br /><br />LBRP<br />LIRH<br />GIRH - Jupiter<br /><br />And no, none of that comes from Kraig. The one time we got into an online argument about it, it was pretty clear to me that his understanding of all this was cursory at best. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-31746911792613573792020-02-07T17:25:27.951-06:002020-02-07T17:25:27.951-06:00I dont get why everyone thinks the hexagram is str...I dont get why everyone thinks the hexagram is strictly microcosmic and the elements micro. I mean obviously elements are inside you and outside....and honestly the whole field of astrology deals with the microcosmic effects of the planets. It just doesnt really make sense and I'm not sure where this idea even came from.....other than kraig. Did he just assume it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727686439506551712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-24670686941429398592020-02-07T17:13:11.578-06:002020-02-07T17:13:11.578-06:00He does specify that the pentagram is red, the col...He does specify that the pentagram is red, the color of geburah, in the book of lies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727686439506551712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-36503677029446833332019-01-05T16:18:04.580-06:002019-01-05T16:18:04.580-06:00There is a lot of speculation on how the signs sho...There is a lot of speculation on how the signs should be given at that point, since Crowley's instructions are so vague. Let me know how it goes, and feel free to pass along your findings.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-54822781729772008832019-01-05T14:40:46.266-06:002019-01-05T14:40:46.266-06:00I was taught to do the nox signs like this: vir, m...I was taught to do the nox signs like this: vir, mulier, puer, puella, mater, keeping the paian as a separate chant accompanied by a dance round the circle. I will also try your version and see if there is a difference. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06559914805549385409noreply@blogger.com