tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post3352484613189072313..comments2024-03-25T14:09:59.347-05:00Comments on Augoeides: The Path of Initiation - NetzachScott Stenwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-7309461569559288872022-11-14T14:22:00.331-06:002022-11-14T14:22:00.331-06:00Right, and I have no intention of working with the...Right, and I have no intention of working with the goetic demons so that cuts out 72 more spirits out, leaving only angels. There are many people out there who don't bother with Goetic or infernal workings no matter how cool it might look to wield a sword.<br /><br />We get 12 archangels of the zodiac, and 12 lesser angels of the zodiac in 777. And we further get the 12 house angels like Auphan. 36 sign angels. Of these very few will be of use to us, but I keep finding uses for almost all 12 of the signs because I like the idea of experimentation, just like how people find uses for all 7 planets. Only Aquarius is the sign I have not considered a use for YET so Cambriel is out. <br /><br />Plus there is also the advanced option of spirit vision scrying and meeting an entirely new angel never known to humanity, which people DO get to see happen. I even saw a GD frater get a Martian angel specifically for himself not found in the grimoires.Samathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883615951812536611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-53315142539216686702022-11-14T14:01:56.885-06:002022-11-14T14:01:56.885-06:00Often that will prove to be the case. Not always, ...Often that will prove to be the case. Not always, of course, because it depends on both you and the spirit. The spirit has its own independent personality and that has to be taken into account.<br /><br />I don't get why you would need to work with all the zodiac angels to work with one of them. If you don't need anything from a particular sphere of influence, there's no need to do an operation with the angel that rules that sphere. I certainly don't conjure them all equally.<br /><br />As long as "unrelentlessly" doesn't turn into harsh and dictatorial, you should be okay following that method. Perseverance is important, severity not so much. If you get too harsh with a spirit it will likely stop wanting to work with you.<br /><br />I'm sure there are other spirits with similar powers. The idea that you would be stuck working with just one doesn't make sense when so many lists of spirits and their powers are currently available to modern magicians. They all overlap in a lot of different ways. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-52906897427583723592022-11-14T13:52:33.181-06:002022-11-14T13:52:33.181-06:00Yes, that is what I was asking about. So just by w...Yes, that is what I was asking about. So just by working with that angel we can get it to drop its unwillingness to work with us? That makes sense if you view these angels as 'science' instead of 'person', where by doing more of something i.e the Work with said angel, the more it will come to understand and trust us whereas with people, if someone hates you once they hate you forever. <br /><br />And what if that spirit happened to be one of the archangels of the zodiac? We definitely need all 12 of them, just like how we need all 7 planetary archangels, and the intelligences. I don't think I would like to have access to only 5 or 6 of the zodiac archangels for example.<br /><br />Thing is I need this particular Pisces Shem angel in my life. It's a kind of angel I keep finding uses for, like Cancer's Muriel. But the ambient response I have felt from this angel is that it has a dark and severe nature and does not wish to be called for simple needs. At least that is how I felt when I did my operations with it, which is why I asked whether Haniel/Anael can be worked with for overcoming this obstacle.<br /><br />But I think your message to me is clear, to keep working with this angel slowly and steadily AND UNRELENTLESSLY and it will eventually let up and warm up to me.Samathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883615951812536611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-77076336189034349082022-11-14T11:11:05.457-06:002022-11-14T11:11:05.457-06:001. Developing the ability to overcome obstacles by...1. Developing the ability to overcome obstacles by skillful and aesthetic means is not the same as overcoming a particular obstacle by skillful and aesthetic means. Initiatory work helps develop your ability to do practical things, but you use the practical ritual template to do a ritual to actually overcome a particular thing. One reinforces the other, but they are not the same.<br /><br />2. Generally speaking communication gets easier as you work with a particular spirit, whether or not you use a formal charge to that effect. If you want to do a formal charge like that, though, you certainly can and it will likely help.<br /><br />3. Rarely. If I encounter a spirit that doesn't want to work with me, I usually just find another one with similar powers that is more cooperative. Spirits, like people, return the treatment they receive. Usually if you force a spirit to work with you, they're not going to be motivated to do a good job.<br /><br />I'm not sure what you mean by "to help further this process." Generally speaking, as you work more with a spirit you'll form a stronger connection, if that's what you're asking about. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-53828204665396919482022-11-11T06:28:51.477-06:002022-11-11T06:28:51.477-06:00Then what does it mean here by 'develop the ab...Then what does it mean here by 'develop the ability to overcome obstacles by both skillful and aesthetic means.'?<br />That sounded practical to me.<br /><br />Also, when working with a spirit to work on yourself say to remove some obstacles, would that still be considered a practical working?<br /><br />2. Does it get easier the more you attempt to converse with that spirit via spirit vision sessions? Say I pick Anael for everything related to Venus, and I travel by spirit vision to her, and charge her to make it much easier for me to get to her henceforth, would that work?<br /><br />3. Also, have you ever had to convince a reluctant angel to let you work with it? As in, one of the zodiacal archangels. If so, what is something that you find helpful in that regard?<br /><br />I've done 3 practical operations with a certain Pisces Shem angel, first of which was successful but I can't help but feel that the same willingness to work is not being shared by it. I definitely felt the cold spots above the table of art with my hands, and the subtle, cold, empty, bleak feeling around the room, a clear sign of Pisces. The feeling was much less perceivable the 3rd time. So you tell me what is it that I can do to further this process.Samathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883615951812536611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-38711968363631474812022-11-10T09:13:08.972-06:002022-11-10T09:13:08.972-06:00In the Thelemic system, working with the sephiroth...In the Thelemic system, working with the sephiroth primarily corresponds to mystical visions, not practical effects. You can still get practical stuff to work a lot of the time, but not as well as what you would get with a path. So there's that. Usually you'll get better results with the angel corresponding to the sphere of influence, especially if that angel corresponds to a path.<br /><br />There are absolutely times when it can be hard to find a specific spirit in a pathworking. One method that I use to deal with this is (in the pathworking) to repeat the name of the spirit over and over again until it appears. Usually that will call them successfully and let you interact with them, but it can take some time.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-67106752567253428652022-11-09T16:37:56.678-06:002022-11-09T16:37:56.678-06:001. 'The word Netzach means victory, and in wor...1. 'The word Netzach means victory, and in working with this sephira we develop the ability to overcome obstacles by both skillful and aesthetic means.'<br /><br />Does this mean that we can pathwork to Anael and ask her to remove our obstacles to things outside of Netzach's sphere of influence like blockages to employment, uhhh...letter writing, sports or anything really or would you say we should ask the respective angel of the sphere of influence instead?<br /><br />2. Also, has it ever occurred that you performed spirit vision scrying to a spirit and had a really difficult trying to find the spirit? Because certain angels and spirits avoid their calls (conjurations) all the time with certain people for various reasons and I see all the time people saying that they can't get any response from a certain spirit they chose to work with. So what should be the next step to foster a relationship with said spirit? Said spirit could be anyone from celestial to chthonic to infernal.<br /><br />'Cold contacting' aka first few tries of contact is probably not the answer. Since you have your HGA, I doubt you have this problem anymore.Samathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883615951812536611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-17953929686660462192017-07-03T14:14:00.175-05:002017-07-03T14:14:00.175-05:00One of the primary goals of these operations is to...One of the primary goals of these operations is to connect solar and lunar consciousness. Likewise, the idea of creating a eucharist as an alchemical operation to embody that spiritual effect is an important part of it too. This is a gradual transformative effect, and takes time to develop. You can certainly use the traditional stages of alchemy to create a more powerful and potent eucharistic rite. <br /><br />If that's what you're talking about, then you are correct.<br /><br />I will say that personally I don't ascribe to a model in which there are separate subtle bodies for each of the planets and/or celestial spheres, if that's what you're talking about, so maybe that's where some of my confusion is coming from. As I see it you have one subtle body that expands to encompass more and more energies as you work with them. But that's one of those theoretical distinctions that is hard to prove or demonstrate one way or the other.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-84042850761766898972017-07-03T07:21:45.902-05:002017-07-03T07:21:45.902-05:00Hi ¡¡¡
If David griffin has spoken of it, hermeti...Hi ¡¡¡<br /><br />If David griffin has spoken of it, hermetic alchemy, but basically I believe that if this intention is projected, the rites are transforming the subtle bodies, the saturnine body,astral or lunar, the mental and solar structure,In fact I believe that in advanced rituals it is sought that the solar body go down or be structured in matter ,The sacramental part of the elixir seems to me very powerful and relates to this purpose,And can also be related to the 4 steps of alchemy nigredo albedo and so on,Generating a gradual transformation I am sure that something like this is possible-Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547193030409051586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-65550408694610506672017-06-28T18:12:48.911-05:002017-06-28T18:12:48.911-05:00That's what I'm talking about. I don't...That's what I'm talking about. I don't know if that's what Javier is talking about :)<br /><br />So you'll be posting separate rituals for Spirit (active&passive?) and the HGA??? No way!!! Awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-18149992912395380002017-06-28T16:12:21.439-05:002017-06-28T16:12:21.439-05:00Right, that is the whole point of the first phase ...Right, that is the whole point of the first phase of the Path of Initiation. From Netzach, the next phase is Spirit, which binds the elements and sephiroth below the Veil of Paroketh (lunar consciousness) together. Then, you do the Holy Guardian Angel invocation. And after that you do Tiphareth, which represents solar consciousness. That's the basic progression, if that's what you're talking about.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-39627380835260975012017-06-28T12:06:17.996-05:002017-06-28T12:06:17.996-05:00I suspect what Javier is trying to say is if these...I suspect what Javier is trying to say is if these rituals help the individual work on their inner alchemy in such a way that they shift their consciousness from lunar to solar. If that's the case, I guess so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-89430792686577450522017-06-28T11:49:19.519-05:002017-06-28T11:49:19.519-05:00I am not completely sure what you are talking abou...I am not completely sure what you are talking about here. The elixir rite is basically alchemical, and when you ingest the elixir you are empowering your subtle body with the power raised by the rite. Is that what you're talking about?<br /><br />The Via Solis Zodiacal Elixir rites that I have been posting here on the blog are examples of this same style of working. So those are one way to direct your intention to alchemical operations related to the signs of the zodiac, if that's what you're asking.<br /><br />http://ananael.blogspot.com/search/label/via%20solis<br /><br />As far as progressive activation, that's the point of doing these operations according to the path of initiation, or like we're doing with the Via Solis, spending a full year doing one rite per month as the Sun moves through the signs.<br /><br />If that's not what you mean, can you clarify a bit?Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-1172098795391566552017-06-28T10:07:02.485-05:002017-06-28T10:07:02.485-05:00Hi Scott
Bodies like the stellar solar or lunar a...Hi Scott<br /><br />Bodies like the stellar solar or lunar astral can be activated progressively through these rites?<br />Can be channeled into a more alchemical form? So to speak<br />The contact with these beings and these subtle heights I believe that it activates progressively and according to the intention, some changes in those so-called subtle bodies<br />In fact there are alchemical operations linked to the signs of the zodiac, but how to direct the Intention to this?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547193030409051586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-51205285894336606252017-06-26T16:56:20.005-05:002017-06-26T16:56:20.005-05:00Sure, I imagine it would probably be possible for ...Sure, I imagine it would probably be possible for somebody to be born with a True Will to, say, be a serial killer. At the same time, it would be everybody else's True Will to stop them from killing by whatever means necessary - including killing, since by refusing to recognize that others have the right to live, the killer would forfeit his or her own right to the same. Or at the very least, his or her right to live as a free person.<br /><br />Still, a very high percentage of crime and violence are perpetrated by people broken by trauma. Usually, the violence is a manifestation of conditioning surrounding abuse, and it's pretty hard to make the case that has much to do with True Will. Even if you look at serial killers, you only find a few who really fundamentally seem like they might be doing their True Will by killing. Like the vast majority of criminals, most are pretty dysfunctional people.<br /><br />So my personal belief is that if everyone followed their True Will there would be far less violence, but that doesn't mean there would be none. I think the latter assumption is unrealistic, because people legitimately find themselves in conflict from time to time even if both parties can make a logical, well-reasoned argument that they are in the right. True Will won't make that go away. What I think it will help with is the stupid, knee-jerk acting out that causes most of the harm. Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7294505416127496842.post-31525931852796532512017-06-26T16:07:28.017-05:002017-06-26T16:07:28.017-05:00This is a more phylosophical question, but it refl...This is a more phylosophical question, but it reflects in the practicality of the mundane existence. It's about one's True Will. I've read Crowley's explanation of the True Will, where he details the whole of the Law. I agree that the TW is in fact God's will manifesting in the physical world in as many ways as there are people, not what each person's lower self (thinks it) wants. <br /><br />That being said, do you think it's possible that certain individuals whose numbers may vary can discover their TW as being, for instance, murderous in nature, or violent etc? I for one think it is, since we all came here to learn different stuff according to our overall personal experience so far. So if we need to learn about suffering due to beating for instance, it can only come from another human. My point is that, let's say all the people on Earth find their TW and act according to it. Would the world be the same in terms of violence etc, but we would all be at peace with it because we would know that's how it's supposed to be? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com