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This is a public event and all who can attend are welcome. You do not need to be an OTO initiate to attend. The classes are free, but we suggest a $5 donation to help cover temple expenses. Also, keep in mind that we follow a loose version of the Fight Club rule - if you show up, you have to do a ritual. But it can be any ritual from any tradition, as simple as you like, and if you don't know any rituals yet we'll talk you through performing something basic like the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram.
One Tuesday per month we hold our Via Solis Zodiacal Elixir Rites, which are announced here on Augoeides along with the ritual scripts on the preceding Mondays. These are also open to all who can attend, and the same suggested donation applies. But taking part in one of these group rituals counts as doing a ritual, so you won't have to do anything else.
In April of 2018 I participated in a series of online Enochian classes organized by Jason Augustus Newcomb. That series of Enochian Master Classes is now available and you can sign up here. Click here for a coupon code that will give you half off the registration price.
I also am considering doing more online classes at some point in the future, and will announce those here far enough in advance that everyone will have a chance to sign up. In the meantime, the following links organize the material I have posted here into what I hope is a coherent overall framework for study.
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Building a working model of magick is crucial for working out how to best accomplish various goals, set accurate expectations for the work, and "debug" your procedures when you run into problems. While this does constitute theory, it should be pointed out that an effective magical model should make testable predictions and conform to the scientific method as closely as possible. I say "as possible" because one of the key components of magick is consciousness, which we have yet figured out a way to measure accurately. This prevents "The method of Science" from being employed in its strictest sense, but at the same time it is an ideal for which I believe all magicians should strive.
This first series of articles covers various thoughts related to my model of magick an how it compares to others out there that are currently in use. While reading through it is not strictly necessary, I highly recommend it. What I do not recommend is waiting until you feel like you understand it all completely before you start doing any work. You should start learning to do the rituals I present here and practice them as soon as you can manage. You're not likely to hurt yourself if you do something wrong and there's no substitute for experience.
Regarding Magical Models
I generally think that the "quantum information model" that I propose in this series is currently the best model of magick that we have. Note that I specific "quantum" not because I see it as a synonym for "awesome" like some New Agers, but rather because it is vitally important to draw a distinction between quantum information, data, and language. The last two have nothing to do with quantum information. The number of facts we amass or web pages we create have no relation to the structure of the universe. And the fundamental weakness of the original "information model" of magick was that it confused semiotics and physics.
The Basic Rituals
Commentaries on the Basic Rituals
The following articles go over the basic rituals that I have written up commentaries on so far, including extended commentaries and experimental speculation related to them. As I do more of these, I will add them to this list.
Original Basic Rituals
These are some alternatives that I have written to the standard basic ritual forms discussed above. They can make for interesting experimentation, but I recommend you learn the standard versions first before moving on to any of these.
Most of the magical orders of the past have initiatory systems that you must go through before you are given any practical material at all. Further down this page I have my Path of Initiation too, but as I see it you can be doing practical work right away. While you want to cultivate illumination and realization as you work, odds at that there are a lot of issues in your life that can get in the way. So start off by eliminating or at least mediating those.
The Magical Powers listed after the various attributes are Descriptive, Not Prescriptive. The powers listed here are from Aleister Crowley's Liber 777, but they should not be treated as all you can do with any of these magical forces. For example, in many cases elemental magick can be used to accomplish similar goals to planetary magick. Earth can correspond to wealth and material prosperity, Water can correspond to love and relationships, Air can correspond to healing, and Fire can correspond to cursing and protection from curses. These are all in addition to their listed powers.
The Elemental Work
To be clear, I am an OTO initiate but not a member of any of the current A.'.A.'. organizations, and the rituals here were developed by Comselh Ananael, my magical working group. I offer none of my own opinions here regarding any of the A.'.A.'. teachers who have publicly identified themselves as such, and I expect that what they teach their students differs substantially from what is presented here. Nonetheless, we found this approach to be quite effective, and I think you will too.
If you don't have a daily magical practice, you will want to have that established before starting any of these rites. Refer back to my articles in the Basic Practices section for what that should look like. You should keep this practice up basically forever, or at least for the rest of your life.
This article on Improving Solve et Coagula explains why I work the elemental initiations in the order that I do, based on research done by my magical working group. Going in "density order" rather than "reverse YHVH" order seems to lead to a more balanced and stable manifestation of the elements within the student's sphere of consciousness.
Note that it generally takes at least six months or so of practicing the Holy Guardian Angel Invocation ritual daily in order to obtain and stabilize K&C, so it is a substantial undertaking. More traditional grimoire magicians can go back to the source and work the full Abramelin operation on which Liber Samekh is based, but bear in mind that may take even longer. One version of the Abramelin runs for six months, but the other runs for a full eighteen.
Personal Instruction
The magick class that I currently run is the Ritual Workshop event at Leaping Laughter OTO, the Minneapolis local body of Ordo Templi Orientis. We meet every Tuesday evening at 7:30 PM at our dedicated temple space. It is located at:3107 California Street NE
Minneapolis, MN 55418
This is a public event and all who can attend are welcome. You do not need to be an OTO initiate to attend. The classes are free, but we suggest a $5 donation to help cover temple expenses. Also, keep in mind that we follow a loose version of the Fight Club rule - if you show up, you have to do a ritual. But it can be any ritual from any tradition, as simple as you like, and if you don't know any rituals yet we'll talk you through performing something basic like the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram.
One Tuesday per month we hold our Via Solis Zodiacal Elixir Rites, which are announced here on Augoeides along with the ritual scripts on the preceding Mondays. These are also open to all who can attend, and the same suggested donation applies. But taking part in one of these group rituals counts as doing a ritual, so you won't have to do anything else.
In April of 2018 I participated in a series of online Enochian classes organized by Jason Augustus Newcomb. That series of Enochian Master Classes is now available and you can sign up here. Click here for a coupon code that will give you half off the registration price.
I also am considering doing more online classes at some point in the future, and will announce those here far enough in advance that everyone will have a chance to sign up. In the meantime, the following links organize the material I have posted here into what I hope is a coherent overall framework for study.
Social Media
I am pretty active on the Ceremonial Magick School Facebook group. You can send a request to join and as long as you give reasonable answers to a couple of questions, and you should be approved. Please make sure that you answer the questions - those are there to make sure that we're adding actual human beings and not bots or something in disguise.Also, feel free to send me a friend request on Facebook. My profile is here, and once we are friends you should get updates from this blog and my author blog in your news feed. I rarely post anything that personal on Facebook, since I use it to promote my books and these websites, so you shouldn't run into anything more controversial than what I post here on Augoeides.
Professional Spellcasting
As I mention in the FAQ, I'm not in the professional spellcasting business and don't do magical operations for clients. Working with clients requires a completely different temple setup and so forth than what I use for my personal work. That may change at some point in the future, but for now if you have questions about how to perform one of the operations I describe here, feel free to email me at scottm@iphouse.com or send me a message on Facebook (once we're friends). I always try to do my best to answer questions of that nature, and I think once you overcome the initial resistance to casting a spell you might very well get better results casting for yourself than you would from any professional for whom said operation is basically just a job.What Is Magick?
This is one of the most fundamental questions students ask. What is magick, and how does it work? While magick is a highly individual practice, there are some commonalities between schools, methods, and practitioners. My background is in the Thelemic school of modern ceremonial magick and the Hermetic tradition of the European Renaissance, particularly the works of Henry Cornelius Agrippa and John Dee. It was my interest in Dee's work that first prompted me to write the books that would eventually be published as my Mastering Enochian Magick Series.Building a working model of magick is crucial for working out how to best accomplish various goals, set accurate expectations for the work, and "debug" your procedures when you run into problems. While this does constitute theory, it should be pointed out that an effective magical model should make testable predictions and conform to the scientific method as closely as possible. I say "as possible" because one of the key components of magick is consciousness, which we have yet figured out a way to measure accurately. This prevents "The method of Science" from being employed in its strictest sense, but at the same time it is an ideal for which I believe all magicians should strive.
This first series of articles covers various thoughts related to my model of magick an how it compares to others out there that are currently in use. While reading through it is not strictly necessary, I highly recommend it. What I do not recommend is waiting until you feel like you understand it all completely before you start doing any work. You should start learning to do the rituals I present here and practice them as soon as you can manage. You're not likely to hurt yourself if you do something wrong and there's no substitute for experience.
Regarding Magical Models
I generally think that the "quantum information model" that I propose in this series is currently the best model of magick that we have. Note that I specific "quantum" not because I see it as a synonym for "awesome" like some New Agers, but rather because it is vitally important to draw a distinction between quantum information, data, and language. The last two have nothing to do with quantum information. The number of facts we amass or web pages we create have no relation to the structure of the universe. And the fundamental weakness of the original "information model" of magick was that it confused semiotics and physics.
Basic Practices
This article from 2006, this one from 2008, and this one from 2016 give an overview of what I recommend as an effective daily magical practice. Every magician should develop a sequence of basic rituals that he or she performs at least once per day, generally in the morning after waking up or at night before going to sleep. Which you prefer depends a lot on your personal circadian clock - I'm a total night owl and can't get anything done in the morning, so I do my practices at night before I go to sleep. Either should prove effective.The Basic Rituals
- The Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram. This simple rite is generally considered the most basic modern ceremonial ritual, and one of the first bits of magick that modern magicians learn. It is a microcosmic banishing and invoking ritual. That is, it works on your personal consciousness. The banishing form clears, stabilizes, and cuts away connections that may be influencing you. The invoking form energizes and empowers your sphere of consciousness. Note that this ritual does not "clear a space" beyond your body's natural aura, though some magicians incorrectly use it that way.
- The Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram. This ritual is the macrocosmic counterpart to the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram. That is, it works on space in the external world beyond your personal consciousness. The banishing form of this ritual is commonly taught as a daily practice, but I strongly recommend against it. You don't want to shut down or send the forces of nature away. To do effective practical magick, you want to connect with and manipulate them - which is what the invoking form of this ritual does. The banishing form can be used to clear a space, but when using in conjunction with the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram it shuts down everything. That can include your own currently running operations.
- The Middle Pillar Ritual. I don't teach most of Israel Regardie's methods, but the Middle Pillar Ritual is an exception. It brings energy work and identification with the divine into daily practice.
- Meditation should also be taken up by aspiring students of magick. There are a lot of variations on meditation practice out there, but most of them produce similar effects. The method here is based on the simple non-sectarian "Mindfulness Meditation" method. You should try to meditate for about twenty minutes a day, which is entirely sufficient for magical work.
- The Greater Ritual of the Pentagram. This is mostly an overview of how I do the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, with some light commentary. I wrote it up because there is a lot of conflicting information online about how to do the Greater Pentagram along with other rituals like the "Supreme Pentagram" (which I don't use or teach) and so forth. This ritual can be used as part of a daily practice, especially as a preliminary to more involved HGA work. It also is used for practical elemental work.
- The Greater Ritual of the Hexagram. This is my overview of the Greater Ritual of the Hexagram, which is used to tune your magical space for working with planets and zodiac signs just like the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram tunes your space for working with elements.
Commentaries on the Basic Rituals
The following articles go over the basic rituals that I have written up commentaries on so far, including extended commentaries and experimental speculation related to them. As I do more of these, I will add them to this list.
- Lesser Versus Greater Pentagrams. This article was written to dispel a particularly pernicious myth about the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. Even though the pentagrams you are tracing are drawn in the same direction as Earth pentagrams, they are not exclusive to the element of Earth.
- Hacking the Elemental Hexagrams. This article digs into a speculative method for using the elemental hexagrams from the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram to work with the four Qabalistic worlds. It was written in part as a response to what I consider the dubious practice of doing "Lesser Hexagrams of the Planets." "Lesser" rituals are general and "Greater" rituals are specific. Neither is a "better" or "worse" version of the other - they serve entirely different functions.
- The Operant Field. This is one of the ideas that started it all, and my own small contribution to modern magick theory. Understanding the microcosmic and macrocosmic natures of the Lesser Pentagram and Lesser Hexagram points to more effective ways to work with these rituals, both in terms of daily practice and larger ceremonial operations. Try it out - you'll be surprised how much better this small change makes everything work.
- Microcosmic Versus Macrocosmic Rituals. This is a longer and more detailed article discussing the operant field as defined in the preceding article, how Lesser rituals are general and Greater rituals are specific, and how to get at the microcosmic and macrocosmic aspects of the various magical forces.
- Goetic Circles and Operant Fields. This article looks at some overlap between the operant field model and the magick circle found in a late grimoire, the Lemegeton or Lesser Key of Solomon.
- Wrapping Up The "Hexagram Controversy". This article discusses the reaction of the online magical community towards the operant field model, and ends with a simple challenge: try it. If you try out the operant field method and it doesn't improve your results, by all means don't keep using it. At the same time, many magicians who have tried it report that their results are better overall, happen faster, and are stronger and more stable when they use it.
- Thoughts on the Star Ruby. This article is my explanation of Aleister Crowley's "new and more elaborate version of the Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram." This ritual can be used to open an operant field in conjunction with the Star Sapphire, just as the Lesser Banishing Ritual can do the same in conjunction with the Lesser Invoking Ritual of the Hexagram.
- An Analysis of the Star Sapphire. This article is a comprehensive overview of my thoughts on the Star Sapphire, Aleister Crowley's "improved ritual of the hexagram." The Star Sapphire behaves a lot like a souped-up version of the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram, and should be used in conjunction with the Star Ruby, Crowley's "improved ritual of the pentagram."
- Regarding Devotional Work. This article summarizes some devotional methods for use by magicians, particularly those found in Aleister Crowley's Liber Astarte vel Berylli. Devotional rituals that you find inspirational and resonant with your will can be an important addition to your practice.
- Thoughts on the Rose Cross Ritual. I do not personally use the Golden Dawn Rose Cross Ritual, but I did some experiments with it back in the day and some readers have asked about my take on it. In theory, the ritual works to smooth out and balance magical forces and fields, but so far I have not been able to figure out anything practical to do with it that I would be able to formally test. The idea that it "confers invisibility" does not seem to stand up to strict scrutiny, even though a lot of people apparently believe it.
Original Basic Rituals
These are some alternatives that I have written to the standard basic ritual forms discussed above. They can make for interesting experimentation, but I recommend you learn the standard versions first before moving on to any of these.
- Revising the Keyword Analysis. This article covers a revised version of the Keyword Analysis from the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram that my magical working group developed.
- Comselh Ananael Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram. This is the version of the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram used by my magical working group, including the changes explained in the article on Hacking the Keyword Analysis.
- The Field Ritual. This is an experimental ritual developed at the Leaping Laughter Ritual Workshop that combines the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram and Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram along operant field lines.
Practical Magick
Once my students have a daily practice in place, I start them off with practical magick. That's one of the big differences between me and most other teachers. My main goal is to get you doing the work as quickly as possible, and getting good results as quickly as possible.Most of the magical orders of the past have initiatory systems that you must go through before you are given any practical material at all. Further down this page I have my Path of Initiation too, but as I see it you can be doing practical work right away. While you want to cultivate illumination and realization as you work, odds at that there are a lot of issues in your life that can get in the way. So start off by eliminating or at least mediating those.
The Magical Powers listed after the various attributes are Descriptive, Not Prescriptive. The powers listed here are from Aleister Crowley's Liber 777, but they should not be treated as all you can do with any of these magical forces. For example, in many cases elemental magick can be used to accomplish similar goals to planetary magick. Earth can correspond to wealth and material prosperity, Water can correspond to love and relationships, Air can correspond to healing, and Fire can correspond to cursing and protection from curses. These are all in addition to their listed powers.
The Elemental Work
- Earth. Alchemy, Geomancy, Making of Pantacles; Travels on the Astral Plane.
- Water. The Great Work, Talismans, Crystal-gazing, etc.
- Air. Divination.
- Fire. Evocation, Pyromancy.
- Saturn. Works of Malediction and Death.
- Jupiter. Power of Acquiring Political and other Ascendency.
- Mars. Works of Wrath and Vengeance.
- Sun. The Red Tincture, Power of Acquiring Wealth.
- Venus. Love-philtres.
- Mercury. Miracles of Healing, Gift of Tongues, Knowledge of Sciences.
- Moon. The White Tincture, Clairvoyance, Divination by Dreams.
- The Epilogue covers both the Planetary and Elemental Work series of articles, and addresses some of the questions that came up while I was posting the series.
- Aries. Power of Consecrating Things.
- Taurus. The Secret of Physical Strength.
- Gemini. Power of being in two or more places at one time, and of Prophecy.
- Cancer. Power of Casting Enchantments.
- Leo. Power of Training Wild Beasts.
- Virgo. Invisibility, Parthenogenesis, Initiation.
- Libra. Works of Justice and Equilibrium.
- Scorpio. Necromancy.
- Sagittarius. Transmutations; Vision of Universal Peacock.
- Capricorn. The Witches’ Sabbath so-called, the Evil Eye.
- Aquarius. Astrology.
- Pisces. Bewitchments, Casting Illusions.
The Path of Initiation
This series of articles is based on the published initiatory structure of Aleister Crowley's A.'.A.'. as found in One Star in Sight.To be clear, I am an OTO initiate but not a member of any of the current A.'.A.'. organizations, and the rituals here were developed by Comselh Ananael, my magical working group. I offer none of my own opinions here regarding any of the A.'.A.'. teachers who have publicly identified themselves as such, and I expect that what they teach their students differs substantially from what is presented here. Nonetheless, we found this approach to be quite effective, and I think you will too.
If you don't have a daily magical practice, you will want to have that established before starting any of these rites. Refer back to my articles in the Basic Practices section for what that should look like. You should keep this practice up basically forever, or at least for the rest of your life.
This article on Improving Solve et Coagula explains why I work the elemental initiations in the order that I do, based on research done by my magical working group. Going in "density order" rather than "reverse YHVH" order seems to lead to a more balanced and stable manifestation of the elements within the student's sphere of consciousness.
- Malkuth (Kingdom). The Vision of the Holy Guardian Angel or of Adonai.
- Yesod (Foundation). The Vision of the Machinery of the Universe.
- Hod (Splendor). The Vision of Splendour; Ezekiel.
- Netzach (Victory). The Vision of Beauty Triumphant.
Note that it generally takes at least six months or so of practicing the Holy Guardian Angel Invocation ritual daily in order to obtain and stabilize K&C, so it is a substantial undertaking. More traditional grimoire magicians can go back to the source and work the full Abramelin operation on which Liber Samekh is based, but bear in mind that may take even longer. One version of the Abramelin runs for six months, but the other runs for a full eighteen.
- Tiphareth (Beauty). The Vision of the Harmony of Things (also the Mysteries of the Crucifixion); Beatific Vision.
- Geburah (Power or Severity). The Vision of Power.
- Chesed (Glory or Mercy). The Vision of Love.
- Binah (Understanding). The Vision of Sorrow, Vision of Wonder.
- Chockmah (Wisdom). The Vision of God face to face, Vision of Antinomies.
- Kether (Crown). Union with God.
- The Three Veils. The Supreme Attainment; Vision of No Difference.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 706 Newer› Newest»If i wanna to do Middle Pillar operation would it be appropiate to use God-name for Paths instead of Sephirot God-name for practical porpouses?
Example i would use AB(Aleph-Bet)for practical porpouses for Saturn and vibration instead Sephirot God-name.
And maybe if wanna charge a sigil or making or talisman i would charge it with Paths formula.
Yes, that is the original Felkin version of the Middle Pillar that Regardie based his generic one on. You take the godname you are working with and vibrate it a number of times related to the name at each of the Middle Pillar points. So with the example you give, you would vibrate AB three times at each point because 3 corresponds to Saturn.
Yea that's pretty clever and cool to experiment with. That's how I came to doing this https://www.spiralnature.com/magick/godhead-assumption-through-the-middle-pillar-ritual/
So basicly using God-name to get energy,Path s name to charge it.
So if i wanna charge Saturn sigil i vibrate AB maybe 3 times or more to get more energy.
I m confused for practical operation i can t use God-name so i guess i need to visualize colour of Path i m working to charge it.I guess i can use classic MP to draw or incerase energy and then charge with Paths formula.
How do i visuaize a Path?
OO i visuaize Paths on King Scale colour while working with Paths and i guess i imagine its like Sephirot just different colour
To use the specific version of the Middle Pillar, you still visualize the same points. You just change all the godnames to the one you are working with and any colors visualized to the King Scale color for the path. So for Saturn with godname AB, color indigo, and number 3, it would be done like this:
1. Visualize a ball of indigo light above your head and vibrate AB 3 times.
2. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your throat and vibrate AB 3 times.
3. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your heart center and vibrate AB 3 times.
4. Visualize a ball of indigo light below your navel and vibrate AB 3 times.
5. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your feet and vibrate AB 3 times.
You don't need to worry about visualizing the path.
Does that make sense?
Ooo yes it does now.
Why did not anyone teach that way?I m still getting energy.
Also while working other Path practicly i do same with coresponding colour and name.
From what I understand the traditional method employed by the Golden Dawn when performing the MP was to vibrate the godname for each sephira on the MP in the number of times as per Hebrew letters contained in spelling that godname. So for the first sphere of the MP one would vibrate AHIH 4 times because Eheieh is spelled with 4 Hebrew letters and so on. Based on this, one can experiment with vibrating the godhead of the sephira or path in each sphere of the MP based on the number of Hebrew letters contained in its name. So for Scott's example above it would be:
1. Visualize a ball of indigo light above your head and vibrate AB (Aleph-Beth) 2 times.
2. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your throat and vibrate AB 2 times.
3. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your heart center and vibrate AB 2 times.
4. Visualize a ball of indigo light below your navel and vibrate AB 2 times.
5. Visualize a ball of indigo light at your feet and vibrate AB 2 times.
Whenever I do my own version I simply vibrate the godname once in each sphere.
@Bishop this might very well confuse you so pay no attention to it right now as it is not mandatory you perform it this way.
The Hebrew letter bit might be worth experimenting with, but I suspect you will get better results going with the number matching the sephira attributed to the planet. It's based more clearly on Agrippa's number scales, which is how Kircher attributed the planets to the sephiroth in the first place.
The reason nobody teaches that version of the Middle Pillar with a specific planetary godname is basically, Regardie's generic Middle Pillar wound up replacing the older Felkin Stella Matutina version (even though in The Middle Pillar he does explain how the Felkin version worked). My understanding is that these days the GD orders that trace their lineage through Regardie (that is, most of them) go with the generic Middle Pillar instead.
They may reserve the specific version for Inner Order work or something like that - I can't really say since I'm not a GD initiate, Inner Order or otherwise.
What you think about hypnosis and myths surrounding it?
Reason i ask is i wonder is there a application in it in magick!
@Scott I remember you telling me at least once, and I'm paraphrasing, Regardie took the MP idea from Felkin who's version implied vibrating the godname for each sephira only once. But it appears that the Felkin version, or rather traditional Golden Dawn version, was to make use of the entire Tree of Life in the exercise, rather than the Middle Pillar of the Tree alone. It appears as such in this recent article from Lord Manticore (tee hee!) https://www.nickfarrell.it/retrospective-historical-projection-in-the-golden-dawn/
Even so, I will start experimenting on a more advanced version of the traditional Golden Dawn exercise and call on all 10 archangels of the sephirot, each after working with its respective sephira, and have them empower the entire Tree within my sphere in one go and see how it goes. Will let you know ;)
And as far as the number of times each godname is vibrated, I guess it makes more sense to vibrate it in the number of times corresponding to the sephira itself than to the number of letters that make up its Hebrew name.
What I think about hypnosis is that there are a lot of myths surrounding it. It has two basic applications in magick - (1) it can be used to induce trance, just like many other techniques such as drumming, chanting, meditation, and so forth, and (2) it can sometimes put you in a state where you are more open to psychic impressions. The issue that comes up with (2), though, is that if you're using hypnosis you have to be extra-careful to test any information you get because under hypnosis the mental faculty that distinguishes between fantasy and reality doesn't work as well.
Otherwise it can be used to persecute magicians, like how it was used to create false memories during the Satanic Panic and all that. But that's not something any of us magicians want.
@Alex, I gave you some information about it a while back but it was based on cursory study of some online sources. I am not entirely confident that what I told you was completely accurate, and I would think Nick would know better than me. I certainly don't see anything wrong with doing it once for each sephira - basically as far as numbers go, I either use 1 (for Kether, which is everything) or the corresponding planetary number. I've never heard of the Hebrew letter thing, and it doesn't really make sense to me why you would do it that way - but maybe people are and are getting good results, I can't really say from my own experience.
Yea I really had no idea of that traditional exercise that predates the MP as per Regardie either. It's possible then that Felkin adapted it solely for the MP version and Regardie possibly developed it further from there. I'm just speculating of course.
About the letter number thing, I had no idea about it until an year ago when I came across an old interview on some blog in which a Golden Dawn Adept described it that way. After some inquires I found that was the actual original method. I for one started out vibrating each godname x5. I've heard some GD members don't consider the original method and do it based on their own thinking.
Anyway, in your words, if it works it works, and being outside of any order I found that to be a great guideline for me so far.
Maybe you don t need vibrating it with a specific numbers ,do it longer to get more energy.
I think i would use traditional MP to get energy, then use MP with specific Path and colour.
You can also use Magical Image.
https://scaraoschisbooksofsorcery.blogspot.com/2021/04/empowered-tree-of-life-exercise.html?m=1&zx=e3e197aa903ac0d2
Usually when I do rituals like that I do the generic MP and follow it with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram or Hexagram for working with specific forces. But it sounds like the specific MP could work for that too.
There are other significant numbers, too. You can square the base numbers, for example, if you want to vibrate longer. So like 9 for Saturn, 16 for Jupiter, 25 for Mars, and so forth.
In Alex s blog i have seen something interesting ?
I t calling Angel of specific Sefirot to empower Sephirot.
So could you use colour od Path and it s formula to empower a sigil?
Like Generic MP , Specific MP for Paths like Yellow colour for Mercury 8 times vibrating its formula .
When i m done how i call a Angel for something practical?
I n the name of Elohim Tzaba Ot i call you Angel to help me to X?
Before that i do a sigil with Inteligences and Spirit.
Also i i imagine Yellow colour sphere on my right hip and vibrate Azbugeh and imagine empowering a sigil.
Do i say after it that a Angel can go.
What would ne a good sphere for improving skill like solving a puzzle or driving?
You could try that and see how it works. I have not used that exact method myself, so I can't speak from personal experience. I would recommend, though, that you don't try to combine the sephirothic and path angels. They're not necessarily the same, which everybody out there seems to get really confused by. If I'm understanding what you're saying here, this ritual should look like this.
1. I always start with the operant field, LBRP/LIRH.
2. Generic (Regardie) MP.
3. Specific (Felkin) MP for Mercury - Elohim Tzabaoth for Sephira or Azbugeh for Path.
4. Conjure Michael by Elohim Tzabaoth for Sephira, or Raphael by Azbugeh for Path. You should use the corresponding angel sigil - Michael on the Mercury kamea for Sephira or Raphael on the Mercury kamea.
5. Deliver charge to the angel you called by the godname you called them by.
6. License the angel to depart by the godname you called them by.
7. Close with final LBRP to disconnect yourself from the operation, or Qabalistic Cross if you want the effect to remain connected to you when the ritual is complete.
Yellow is the path color and right hip is Hod. They don't go together. If you were making a talisman for Hod, you could visualize orange (the sephirothic color) at your hip if you want. I don't generally do it that way, but the attribution is sound. But don't do that for the path - the path is a separate attribution that has no connection to your hip. It links Kether and Binah, so it would be more like your right temple if you are going to try and connect it with your body. Also, a path is movement of energy rather than a state, so it probably wouldn't look like a sphere.
If you have the angel sigil, you can call on the intelligence and spirit as long as you do it in the right order. Call the angel by the godname, then the intelligence by the angel, then the spirit by the intelligence. For information you don't need the spirit so you can stop at the intelligence, but you do want the spirit for practical effects.
The big thing here is not to confuse the sephiroth and paths. They are different. Sephiroth are for mystical visions and paths are for practical effects. Don't try to mix them in a single ritual.
For both solving puzzles and driving, you probably want to look at Mercury. I would go with the path because you are looking at improving an existing ability instead of obtaining a vision.
So i don t need to visualize a Path just "speak" with Angel?
I want to do it on sigil like Spere do with apropiate Inteligences and Spirit and then burn afterwards.
I guess i can do it like you described in your articles about planetary magick.
Wait Path for Mercury if imagined is Path connecting Binah and Kether and i would imagine a Path empowering a sigil for practical stuff?Like Path shining Yellow energy with its vibration and empowering sigil.Maybe i could try without Angels first .
@Scott the way I do it implies calling down the godhead through the MP regardless of whether I'm working by sephira or path. I call down the specific godforce which, in the above example would be Elohim Tzabaoth (by sephira - orange) or Azbugeh (by path - yellow). I don't see why you couldn't visualize Hod as an orange sphere on your right hip or the path of Mercury as a flash of yellow light at your right temple at the end of the process of calling down the godforce if you want to.
@Bishop if you want to make a sigil as per sigil magick and empower it with planetary powers then it'll act like a talisman so, as Scott has said many times before, it would be best to use both the energy of spirits and your own for that purpose. The way I do it in such case is to call down the specific godhead through the MP while respecting the godname and color. Then I call on whatever spirits using that godname and direct the spirits to charge the talisman for my purpose. Then I visualize the specific planetary symbol above my head, vibrate the godname again and visualize energy in the respective color flowing from it through my body and into my hands and then I project that energy into the talisman. When I feel it's full I stop and thank the spirits, give them the offerings and license them to depart. Then I close the whole ritual.
@Bishop - No, you do not need to visualize the path or sephira to work with the angels. I never do it that way myself. You can do it if you want to, my point was just that if you are going to do it you should make a distinction between path and sephira and visualize accordingly. For Mercury, Hod (sephirothic) is orange at your right hip with Elohim Tzabaoth, and Beth (path) is yellow at your right temple with Azbugeh. Sephiroth are for mystical work, path is for magical work.
Now - what I've actually found in practice, and why people who mix these up can still get good (but to be clear, in my opinion not optimal) results is that the angels here are intelligent, powerful spirits. They can generally read your intent and figure out what you want, unlike more literal and less intelligent spirits like some classes of "demon." So you can do sephirothic work for practical things and the angels can usually figure it out anyway, but the less work they have to do the more power can be directed to the effect you want.
@Alex - Thanks for that. Makes sense, as usual! :)
I forgot to do my Nick Farrell godhead assumption beforehand so I'd have the grammar right :)
Btw, since we're talking practical stuff with Mercury, I think it's good to keep in mind it is combust atm. It will be in cazimi for a fair number of hours on Sunday (Sunday night depending on timezone) and afterwards it slips into Taurus but will still be combust for some time... So unlike some highly knowledgeable and experienced occultists out there, I for one wouldn't work beneficial spells with Mercury until after it ceases being combust... But that's just me :D
The astrological landscape is a whole other dimension that can get complex pretty quickly. Usually I recommend beginners get the basics down before delving into that. It is true that current astrological conditions are like the "weather" you are casting into and they can amplify or reduce the effectiveness of your magick. But again, I recommend getting the basics down before trying to tune your work to astrological conditions.
Agree!
Although... and I'm going to stop now :D
Has anybody here done Stele of Jeu or Original Bornless?
I did couple of times specificly from Book of Abrasax but it s a little long with turning into all 4 Cardinale directions.
And i found somewhere this text at the end that that s not usually im Stele of Jeu:
Such are the words!
Oh! Oh! Oh!
IAO SABAO
Lord Abrasax, Lord Meithras, Lord Phallus
Oh! PAN, Oh! PAN, PAN
Oh! Mighty One, Oh! Deathless One, Oh! Invincible One!
Hail, Phallus, hail, All-Devourer, hail, All-Begetter! Holy, holy, holy, IAÔ
So i guess i could Incorporated it.
Do you do it like im 4 cardinal directions or just face one side of world?
Is there any site where i could just find corespondences with Path s location and Formula s ?
Yes, I have. With the original version you just do it, without turning to any directions. Crowley's Liber Samekh is a (fairly loose) adaptation of Jeu that does incorporate those elements, but you turn to specific directions at specific points in the ritual. You don't re-do the whole thing to each direction, if this is what your source is telling you to do.
That text at the end is also from Liber Samekh and you don't actually say it. Those phrases are Crowley's "interpretation" of the words of power. You can visualize the interpretation along with the words of power if you want and if they make sense to you, but (even as a Thelemite) I find that the words of power work just fine without it.
If you are talking about Liber Samekh, I would say Tiphareth. Crowley's analysis of the words of power is mostly based on transliterating to Hebrew, so you can map paths that way. So for example, IAO is Yod-Aleph-Ayin, so Virgo-Air-Capricorn or Hermit-Fool-Devil. Most of the "interpretations" for the words are derived that way.
The original Stele of Jeu has no Qabalistic correspondences because it is far older than any of the Kabbalistic systems. It's from the Greek Magical Papyri, and the earliest of those are from around 100 BCE.
With Paths i asked corespondences with Path and Colours?
Like i guess Path Gimel is Moon and i can imagine Path Gimel vibrating Alim and imagine Blue colour while charging sigil.
Also i like to imagine how Path or Sephirot vibrate or move along with vibration and colour going from Path or Sephirot to sigil.
Can i ask a Angel to deliver charge to Spirit and Inteligence just calling by Angel?
Why do Angels help when we call them ?
The color reference I use is Liber 777, which you can find here:
https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib777/all
Column XV is the King Scale
Column XVI is the Queen Scale
These are the scales that I call the "natural colors" for the paths and sephiroth. The natural color for a sephira is the Queen Scale, while the natural color for a path is the King Scale.
You can ask an angel to deliver a charge to the intelligence and/or spirit and get a result, but it doesn't work as well as calling on the intelligence and spirit along with the angel.
I can't speak for the motivation of an angel. You might as well ask me why the Sun shines or something like that. What I know is that it works.
A while ago i read a Book about Talismans,the man who wrote iz has said while making a talisman you use for Yesod a Violet background and Yellow contemplary colour?I mean for all Talisman you use Sephirotic corespondences instead of Path.
So i guess if you wanna make a practical one you use for example
Yesod Blue background and Orange contemplary or all 4 colour for Inteligences and Spirit ?
Many people who teach planetary magick do not make the distinction between path and sephira, and use sephira colors for practical work. It's not that taking that approach is unworkable, but in my experience it works better to fine-tune it by making the distinction.
You're right on the colors there, but you still are mixing up your planets and sephiroth.
Yesod is the sephira that is attributed to the Moon.
Gimel is the path that is attributed to the Moon.
But Gimel is not Yesod. They just share a planetary attribution.
What you are making there is a practical Moon talisman. If you use those colors (blue/orange), you are attributing your talisman to Gimel, the path (practical manifestation) of the Moon. Such a talisman is not a "Yesod talisman," it's a "Moon talisman."
Does that make sense?
Yes thanks.
Have you ever read Notes on Kaballah by Colin Low?
I started and he said that people
generally are not initiated into Malkhut fully let alone into Supernal Sephirors?By Malkhut he meant that wonders of material world are not discovered.
Maybe i misunderstood him but now i Got impression that initiation into Supernal Sephirots is very hard.
No, I have not read that so it is hard for me to say whether I agree or not without the context. I don't know that I believe "initiation" requires one to have a full and complete understanding of the world. Taking that idea literally, it would imply that nobody could be "initiated" into Malkuth until our scientific understanding of everything is complete - which from a philosophical standpoint might not even be possible.
In the Thelemic system it is true that initiations into the supernals such as 8=3 (Master of the Temple, Binah) and Magus (9=2, Chockmah) are considered advanced initiations and there are a whole lot of steps you have to go through before you get there. Basically you climb the Tree of Life from the bottom to the top, so the supernals represent the most advanced work in the system.
In planetary Magick i sebe there s no Malkhut and therefore no Angel Sandaloph to world with?
I know there s Earth King but how would be to do with Sandaloph ?
I don t know are there planetary Inteligences and sigils for Earth that could ne used practicly!
Malkuth is not a planetary sephira, so it is not included in planetary magick. It represents the realm of all four elements. So if you look at the elemental work, all four elemental kings are attributed to Malkuth.
You do not have a corresponding Intelligence and Spirit because those are specific to the planets. You could, however, work with Malkuth by calling Sandalphon by the godname Adonai Melekh. As this is sephirothic, it is more related to mystical work than practical applications.
The practical aspect of Malkuth is in fact spread across the four elements, such that all elemental magick is related to Malkuth. The power associated with Malkuth itself is "The Vision of the Holy Guardian Angel or of Adonai."
Oo okay i tought Elements were more a 4 world thing?
Do you know that opinion when 22 Paths of Tarot begin from Malkhut to Kether instead Kether to Malkhut?It s confusing because atributions are them different.
The elements also correspond to the four worlds, but not in the same sense as they correspond to Malkuth. Work with the Qabalistic worlds can be broken up along elemental lines, but the correspondences are completely different than what you use for paths or sephiroth.
Attributions of the paths can be different because there are several different systems out there and basically you just have to pick the one you want to work with. The Levi system is the oldest and starts with The Magician instead of the Fool. The Achad system is the newest and flips the paths over to start at Malkuth.
I personally use Crowley's attributions from Liber 777 because they are the most widely used. I don't know that there are any specific advantages to using those two other systems, and all things being equal I would rather be able to work and share ideas with a larger community of magicians.
I would like to Incorporate imagining Elemental triangles while during Liber Samekh like Fire section i imagine Red Upwards,Earth down and brownish etc.Just don t know how Spirit section should be visualized.
Why are there lines in Air and Earth triange i, mean near the top ?
Normally the colors I use are Fire = Red, Water = Blue, Air = Yellow, and Earth = Green. The usual symbol for spirit is a wheel with eight spokes. You visualize it in bright electric purple for active spirit and deep, dark purple for passive spirit.
The lines in the Air and Earth triangles are symbols from European alchemy, but I don't know that there's a "why" to them for any other reason besides distinguishing Air and Earth from Fire and Water.
I guess first comes Active and then Deep in Liber Samekh.
In one Alex s blog mentioned above he sent a link about Middle Pillar exersice where you activate a Sephirot and then ask a Angel to empower it ?
https://scaraoschisbooksofsorcery.blogspot.com/2021/04/empowered-tree-of-life-exercise.html?m=1&zx=e3e197aa903ac0d2
So how would that look if you want something practical like:
Do MP,Felkin for Jupiter ,asking a Angel to help or maybe add Spirit and Inteligence and close.
I M wondering when asking Angel like this do you need License to Depart or some protection?
When working with angels and other spirits you should always use the structure of conjuration -> charge -> license to depart. You would do this after the single-godname Middle Pillar, which according to my understanding works similarly to a Greater Ritual of the Pentagram or Hexagram in terms of tuning your sphere of sensation to the energy employed. So it would look like this:
Single-Godname MP
"Angel [xyz], I conjure you by [godname] to manifest unto me."
Then, once angel is present:
"Angel [xyz], I charge you to [do whatever you are trying to do] by the name [godname]."
Then, once that feels "done":
"Angel [xyz], I license you to depart unto your proper place by the name [godname]."
Then just go through your regular closing procedure, whatever that is.
Alex might have some other insights here too. I haven't personally worked with this method, so I can't speak from direct personal experience.
@Bishop that exercise is to empower your sphere of consciousness and nothing more. In practical rituals I do the much simpler version found in the link at the beginning off that article. I still follow Scott's ritual template with the added twist that I do the MP godhead assumption after the specific Greater Pentagram or Hexagram ritual and the invocation to the specific godhead. Like so:
1. LBRP-LIRH
2. GIRP or GIRH
3. Invocation of the godhead
4. MP godhead assumption for that godhead
5. Conjuration
6. Charge+offering
7. License to depart
8. LBRP or QC depending on whether the ritual is for others or myself
8. LBRP or QC
Mr. Stenwick,
Can you recommend a Color Scheme for the Four Worlds, please, as they relate to:
1. Sepheroth
2. Astrological Signs
3. Planets
4. The elements
?
I want to, using the colors, and Divine Names to invoke each of the Four Worlds when working with each force in these Four Categories (Example, for Malkuth, I want the Name and Sigil for the God Name in the King Scale Color, Archangel in the Queen Scale, Angelic Choir in the Prince Scale, and the Sephira in the Princess Scale.
I'd very much appreciate a reference I can find online, please.
Thanks.
@Merlyn78 The color scheme can be found in Liber 777 and you can see the King, Queen, Emperor, Empress colors by sephirot and paths here:
https://hermetic.com/_detail/crowley/libers/lib777/crowley-liber-777-xiii-xv.png?id=crowley%3Alibers%3Alib777%3Aall
And here:
https://hermetic.com/_detail/crowley/libers/lib777/crowley-liber-777-xvi-xviii.png?id=crowley%3Alibers%3Alib777%3Aall
You can also see a visual representation of the color scheme here:
https://www.lelandra.com/tarotbook/TreeofLifeColors.htm
From my understanding the colors in the last link I'm sharing are not quite the "real" ones, since back in the day (more than a century ago when the Golden Dawn was founded) the colors were established by making use of oil paints instead of electronic means. At any rate, I'm not part of any order and so I'm using these nuances and they work very well for me.
This one is even better. The colors used are from Liber 777, but they are broken out just like what it sounds like you are looking for.
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Tree_of_Life:Colors
Note that in Liber 777 Crowley called the Prince Scale the "Emperor" Scale and the Princess Scale the "Empress" Scale. Not sure why, but it's easy to translate. With these scales, the four worlds are:
King - Atziluth
Queen - Briah
Emperor - Yetzirah
Empress - Assiah
Thank you, Mr. Stenwick, for the 4 Worlds Color Information. I did notice the difference you mentioned regarding Crowley's Scale Names. As always, I appreciate your assistance and information.
I've been looking for information on a practice variously described as "Astral Possession" or "Body Jumping". I've witnessed a Sorcerer do it once and have experienced, once, someone else (an Adept) using this practice with mine as their target body (they instructed me to enter a light, meditative state):
When it was done to the other person I witnessed, she stopped what she was doing, did something she would normally never do, even identifying herself using the sorcerer's name, then returned to what she was previously doing. When I asked her about it later, she had no memory of the actions I witnessed her doing while the sorcerer possessed her body.
When the Adept did it to me, I remembered entering the light meditative state, but when I returned to my normal consciousness, I was somewhere else, with no memory of how I got there.
Both of the Above-Mentioned Events happened many years ago. I've been trying to find information about the Practice ever since.
Do you know where I can find practical information about this practice, please? The closest I've come are exercises in Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics, but his techniques do not seem to go far enough, imo, as they do not result in complete possession to the degree I've witnessed or encountered.
In 777, there are some lines of the Correspondences (a Second Number 31 and 32) that says "bis". What does "bis" mean?
As far as the body jumping idea goes, I have heard stories here and there but have never found anything that was verified or well-documented. Honestly, what you are describing here sounds like something that could easily be done with a combination of hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion.
Here's what I would need to see to be convinced that what is going on is really "astral possession." The person possessed would have to leave the presence of the person doing the possessing, obtain some piece of information that the possessing person is not aware of, and make a note of that piece of information which remaining out of the presence of the possessing person. Then, the possessing person ends the effect without the possessed person coming back into their presence and relates the information. Finally, take down the answer that you have and compare it with the note the possessed person made. If they match, that would be something worth investigating.
Not to sound too much like James Randi (of whom I'm not a fan), but what you're describing could easily have been done using non-magical means. That's not to say a version using magick might be possible, or even that the version you experienced was definitely not magical, but I can't say that I've ever come across the kind of technique you are describing. The 777 power would probably be Gemini, "the power of being in two or more places at one time" which I usually also associate with "out of body" astral travel (as it is commonly called), for what that's worth.
The notations of 31 and 31 bis, and 32 and 32 bis, acknowledge that there are two attributions for paths 31 and 32. 31 is attributed to Fire and Spirit, and 32 is attributed to Saturn and Earth. The "bis" notation just allows you to specify which one you are talking about and with what it should be associated.
I want to ask something that s interesting to me?
Let s say i see a complex mechanism and i m impressed how it all works and how every piece work ?Is that Vision Of Splendor from Hod?If someone smell nice perfumes,see nice clothes Is that Vision Of Victory or some other Netzatch influence?
Or what i m talking about is more suitable for Paths?
I am tempted to say no to all of those for the following reason, but I might not be understanding exactly what you are asking.
Visions are states of mystical consciousness. They are not simply impressions or perspectives. Also, even though the sephiroth are attributed to planets, those planets do not represent their fundamental natures. Their fundamental natures are described by their Hebrew names - foundation, splendor, victory, beauty, etc.
The higher up the Tree you go, the more elevated your consciousness is relative to ordinary waking consciousness. Your complex mechanism example would maybe fit with Yesod - the vision of the machinery of the universe - but even then what we're talking about is in a somewhat different category than the perception of an object, even a complex one.
So I would probably classify all of those under the elements in Malkuth, because they are examples of ordinary cognition. The higher sephiroth are all going to be examples of altered (that is, non-ordinary) states of consciousness.
You might be able to make a case that impressions like that could be mapped, but on the microcosmic side of the equation only. But it's hard for me to say what you would use that for in a magical context. You're not connecting with macrocosmic qualities, so it's neither mystical nor magical as I see it.
So how Vision of Splendor or Victory could be described ?
Is it kind of abstract energy that direct or does its job so Assiyah could exist?
How it feels ?
I would like to conjure Angels as described but i live in a small place and if someone would see Table of Art where i would print don t know what would think ?
The visions are going to differ from person to person, so I am not sure that a description of them from any one practitioner is going to be especially helpful. The Vision of Splendor is supposed to be analogous the the vision of Ezekiel from the Torah. Here's that particular text with commentary that I found online - but keep in mind the vision you see could differ substantially.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/ezekiels-vision-of-god-and-the-chariot
I don't really understand your second sentence there. Existence simply operates on multiple levels. Assiah's existence is not "dependent" on anything, it just is. Same with the other Qabalistic worlds.
As for how the visions feel - you really need to do them for yourself and find out. My descriptions are probably not very relevant to your personal work.
Your third sentence is confusing, but I'll see if I can work it out. To make a Table of Art you can print out any of the images you find online onto regular printer paper. Then you can lay it out when you want to work and put it away when you are done. To hide it from prying eyes, I would recommend keeping it either in a folder or between the pages of a large enough book.
When i was reading books about Qabala i got the impression that energy or The Flashing Light that comes from Kether and comes down formes Assiyah.
Like it condenses and every Sephirot does it job to keep it that way.For example Binah takes the energy from Chokmah and limit its and "births"Chesed.
So that take is not necessarily wrong, but there is some context there that I think you are missing. The Lightning Flash does indeed descend the Tree from Kether to Malkuth, that is, from Atziluth to Assiah. But you also need to consider the Serpent of Wisdom, which ascends the Tree from Malkuth to Kether at the same time.
Basically what you have is more like an electrical circuit with Kether and Malkuth as the two poles of that circuit. The whole thing runs constantly and simply "is." It's not really meaningful to say that the anode of a circuit is the reason that the cathode exists. It's more like both the presence of both the anode and the cathode mean that the circuit can exist. The circuit being the entire Tree and all four worlds.
I'm not sure how good a metaphor that is, but does it make sense anyway?
I do just guess first comes Ain Soph Aur ,then Kether crystalyzes(guess)and after forming energy condenses make Malkhut .
Also there a a theory that everything will be sucked into Ain and that cycle will begin anew.
How much power People potentialy have beetwen cathode and anode
to "shape"their reality and how much are we limited by using that energy and mole it?
Guess it s not like new agers tell us!
Since there is no accepted general theory of magick, it is difficult to say what the real limits of it are. Those limits definitely exist, but they seem to differ between people and between situations. Working out a general theory is something I've devoted a lot of time an experimentation to, but there's still a long ways to go.
My main issue with New Agers is that if you only look at the broad sweep of lot of their ideas they aren't all that wrong. It's when you start looking at the details. For example, any magician will tell you it's possible to work with your thoughts (that is, consciousness) to influence the world around you. But if you change that from "influence" to "deterministically control" (like New Thought and its variants argue) what you wind up with is a complete mess.
Mr. Stenwick,
What is your opinion of Jack Parsons and how is life took a turn for the worse after he performed the "Babalon Working" ? What mistakes did he make Magickally?
Also what is the Babalon Working, and should it be avoided? What practical or Magickal benefits does it produce?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Mr. Stenwick,
I have read before that can you use Geburah or the God name Elohim Gebor to become heartier
or tougher, (not meaner) from vibrating the name during the Middle Pillar Ritual? Is this
the intended purpose? If not, what is vibrating this God names purpose during the ritual or
alone?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
December 2, 2019 at 7:54 PM
The biggest problem Jack Parsons had magically was working with L. Ron Hubbard. I am not joking in any way. Hubbard was a scam artist who stole a bunch of Parsons' money and ran off with (and went on to be highly abusive towards) Sarah Northrup. One of the jokes I like to tell (and it might not be a joke) is that the Moonchild Ritual - a fictional rite, not at all intended to be performed - was only attempted once by Parsons and Hubbard, and it gave birth to the Church of Scientology. Obviously, this means it should never be performed again.
The lesson there? Be careful who you work with. The issues Parsons had after his Babalon Working were also issues he had after working with Hubbard. When told about the Babalon/Moonchild working, Crowley wrote that he he basically found it nonsensical. It's adapted from a fictional ritual by taking said ritual at face value, and not something that I personally would mess around with.
Not that I'm averse to invoking Babalon - we do this one every year:
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2020/06/mass-of-nuit-and-babalon-for-2020.html
I just wouldn't personally put any stock in the Parsons/Hubbard ritual, any more than I would try to perform a ritual from the Harry Potter books.
As for the Middle Pillar - the version that uses the godnames associated with the sephiroth of the middle pillar is the general version, calling on the godname appropriate to each sephira. Regardie based his general version on an earlier Stella Matutina version written by Felkin, which was essentially a "specific middle pillar" in which you vibrated one particular godname for all of the middle pillar sephiroth.
So you could indeed use a version of the Middle Pillar with the godname Elohim Gibor at all of the middle pillar sephiroth as part of a Geburah operation to increase your heartiness and toughness. Doing the Middle Pillar like that basically attunes the energy of your sphere of sensation to the qualities of Geburah and Mars. You would eliminate the "meanness" quality from that list with your statement of intent - so something along the lines of "increase my heartiness and toughness (injunction), without increasing my meanness (limitation)."
I m interested in Geburah operation mentioned here.
In short when doing Felkin when i say the injuction.Since i don t call a entity do i vibrate it 5 times and say injuction and limitation after vibration.
And is it better for practical purpouses to use Path vibration and colour.For example Scarlet Red and Adonai vibration for above example.
Maybe add Tarot and astrologa sing to visualizaton but don t now how would that work.
I would think that is right, do your injunction and limitation following the vibration.
For a Geburah operation, don't do the path vibration. You are working with Geburah, which is a sephira and not a path. You would use the path vibration for a practical Mars operation.
I personally don't do rituals this way, so it's hard for me to make accurate suggestions on how to integrate other correspondences and/or expand the method. But for Tarot, for example, you could use the four Fives as together they represent Geburah.
Guess Major Arcana are Paths.
If i use Geburah i use four Fives ,if i use Path of Geburah i use The Tower.
You are not understanding what I am saying about paths and sephira.
The Tower is not "the path of Geburah." It's the path of Mars.
Geburah is the sephira attributed to Mars.
Peh (The Tower) is the path attributed to Mars.
Mars is the primary attribution here. Just because Peh and Geburah are both attributed to Mars, that does not mean you can use them interchangeably, treating Peh as the "path of Geburah" and Geburah as the "sephira of Peh."
You are generally correct, though, that you would use the four Fives for Geburah and The Tower for Peh. Just be careful not to mix them up.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Is Qigong breathing and energy flow hard to learn? Is it just getting used to the rhythm of controlled breathing along with some form of visualization?
If you have written an article about it, could you please post the link.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I just read that Mr. Crowley referred to Parsons and Hubbard as a couple of "louts" whatever that means and when he thought about the situation he felt "frantic" like he generally cared about he outcome! Which seems to me to quite honorable. It seems that Crowley was referring to Parsons second wife Marjorie Cameron Parsons Kimmel as if she was some kind of embodiment of the Scarlet women and said that she might be to far gone. He told the people in charge of the lodge she attended to get her to take vow of obedience (sense Parsons was already dead) or expel her. Parsons seemed to also have made a similar statement. Is that accurate? Was she for lack of a better term possessed by some kind ark type or primal energy because Parsons had done a fictional ritual?
Thanks,
Jbyers193@gmail.com
With regard to Parsons, I think the deal is that Crowley described himself as "frantic" because at one point he was considering making Parsons his successor as head of OTO and then watched Hubbard make a complete fool of him - which pretty much disqualified him as Crowley's successor, because he wasn't going to hand the OTO over to such an easy mark.
As far as that story about Crowley and Cameron, I've never heard it before. I do know that Crowley couldn't have spoken to anyone about Cameron after Parsons died, because Crowley died in 1947 and Parsons died in 1952. So at least that part of the story couldn't be true. No idea about the rest, but if whoever you heard it from can't keep their dates straight I wouldn't take them very seriously.
Parsons considered Cameron an embodiment of Babalon because he did the Babalon working and then she showed up, but there are a lot of other possible explanations, magical and otherwise. She was a talented artist before she worked with Parsons and a talented artist afterwards. So I don't know that I would say the Babalon working changed her in any obvious way besides bringing her and Parsons together.
I do have an article on how I do basic mindfulness meditation, which is pretty close.
http://ananael.blogspot.com/2016/08/thoughts-on-meditation.html
To do it with Qigong breathing, you add the following:
1. Touch your tongue to the roof of your mouth and breathe through the nose. A lot of people just do this naturally without instruction, but since the tongue is like a "switch" that connects the front and back meridians, it's important to make sure you are doing it.
2. Breathe as deeply into your diaphragm as you can while remaining relaxed. Breathe in fully when you inhale, but don't force it.
3. When you breathe in, imagine a warm fiery sensation at the base of your spine and raise it to the top of your head as you inhale.
4. As you exhale, imagine a cool watery sensation flowing down the front of your body, under the perineum, and back to the base of the spine as your lungs empty.
5. Repeat.
This basic practice is a version of the "microcosmic orbit" which is probably described best in the works of Mantak Chia. It should be pretty easy to find online.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
What is your opinion of Anton Lavey, The Church of Satan, and the Satanic Bible, especially their reinterpreted use of the Enochian Keys? I became to realize that Anton Lavey was as much as hoaxster as L Ron Hubbard, but since I was young and it was the first book on the subject I ever picked up, it seem to feel a lingering effect which I have tried to shake ever since! It's like a monkey on my back. Always there affecting everything! All I want at this point is releaf. If I don't do my LBRP, IRH, MPR and LIRP every day I'll soon regret it! You said once that the Enochian Keys never hurt anyone, which I saw then as now some hope of relief! If isn't the revised Enochian Keys causing the problem then what is causing the problem? It seems like almost daily that whatever this is treats anyone human as just a marinenet of its will blocking reality for misinterpretation of events, drama and lies. Being misunderstood is a constant reminder of its presence. I feel exasperated like I'm losing my grasp on reality! I keep thinking of that verse which said " We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities! I'm not looking for religious conversion, because MAGICK is everything to me! I just got off on the wrong foot and I am just trying to navigate through whatever mental fog inhibits me! Religion ad nauseum! Magick + Thelema = Salvation of the mind body spirit and soul!
Dabblers are always the worst instructors!
Thanks,
jbyers193@gmail.com
LaVey borrowed a lot from Crowley and other sources, and his interpretation of Satanism agrees with Thelema on a number of points, such as living in a way that is true to your nature. At the same time, he was also a bit of a hoaxster - but I hesitate to put him in the same category as Hubbard simply due to the sheer quantity of cash Hubbard swindled people out of. I mean, Scientology had (and still has) its own freaking Navy! That's some next-level hoaxing there.
LaVey's rearrangement of the Enochian keys is laughable and barely anybody uses it. It just replaces every word that refers to God with "Shaitan" which is not even an Enochian word. If he was serious he would have replaced it with Vovin, which alludes to "the dragon" from Revelation. Even then, I doubt it would have done anything. I also have heard (second-hand, mind you) that when LaVey actually did rituals with the Enochian keys he used the original versions. If that's true, I doubt he put much stock in his revisions.
Now I never did say that Enochian magick never hurt anyone ever. What I've said is that in general it's no more dangerous than any other form of magick. But I highly doubt the "revised keys" are even remotely related to any of that. I don't know of anyone who uses the LaVey versions seriously, and if you mess with something like that in a magical ritual the result is almost always that nothing happens.
Let me ask you a question about how you are using the LIRP, since you mentioned it. Maybe I'm not following what you're saying, but if you are already doing LBRP/LIRH/MP as a practice sequence you shouldn't need to do an LIRP on a regular basis. The reason that I have people learn both is that when they're at the point where they only know the LRP they can do the invoking version in the morning and the banishing version at night so they are doing both banishing an invoking during the course of their day.
But once you learn LBRP/LIRH/MP, the banishing is being handled by the LBRP and the invoking is being handled by the LIRH. I don't know if that has anything to do the problem you are talking about, but maybe try dropping the LIRP and just stick with LBRP/LIRH/MP and see how you feel. Also, another thing to try is concluding your practice with the Qabalistic Cross on its own after the MP. I've added that to my own practice sequence fairly recently and it seems to help.
Also, one other thought that came to me - if you feel like you might have issues related to previous magical works, you can try the "full shutdown." The sequence for that is LBRP/LBRH/QC, every day for a week or so. A warning about that, though. If you have spells that are set up and running and not specifically anchored to physical objects besides yourself like talismans, this practice will shut them all down and you will have to recast them all. If you have a lot of ongoing running spells, it's not necessarily the best approach, so I can't make an informed recommendation that you do it without knowing your situation better.
And yes, I agree with you. Dabblers make terrible instructors!
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
My daily ritual practice includes the LBRP, the LIRH, the MPR and the LIRP in that order one right after the other.
So are you saying I can drop the LIRP from daily practice or just perform it in the morning and the LBRP at night?
If the LIRH is performed is it just unnecessary overkill to also add the LIRP?
Are you saying that it can be counterproductive kind of like energy serge feedback loop fighting against each other?
I love the LIRP, its a lot of fun to perform. It kind of brings life back into the Pentagram Rituals. I had never heard of it before I started reading your blog. What I love about your instruction is that you do both sets of ritual pairs both an invoking and banishing. Kraig never did this and if the thought had occurred tom that I could both I would have hesitated not wanting to go off on a tangent. I needed some king of confirmation that you could use the LRP and LRH that way. So thanks.
I had a lot of bad experiences with "LESSER BANISHING RITUAL OF HEXAGRAM". That's why I first contacted your blog. Before that I kept trying to add the LBRH to my daily practice (as Kraig had recommended) only to have constant bad experiences in my daily life. When you explained to me that what the LBRH does is shut everything down and that it should not be done daily it made perfect since. I felt and still feel betrayed by Kraig. Maybe he did not do it on purpose because he did not fully understand its impact like you suggested. But still the LBRH is something I avoid like the Bubonic plague! Kraig may have known some things but when It come to LBRH he seems from my experience to enter the "DABBLER" category.
Because of Kraig I started doing all my rituals differently, using your recommendations.
I stopped using "Yud HEH VAV HEH" for the east pentagram in the LBRP and started using
"Ye-ho-wah or Ye-ho-voh". ( I have not really decided yet which pronunciation is best for me yet.) Also I changed how I do the MPR by starting at the feet. I also vibrate the same God names as in the LBRP and LIRP. I can honestly tell you that the MPR works some much better this way. Thanks for that. A little GEM really, completely underrated!
AND I only use the INVOKING RITUAL OF THE HEXAGRAM thanks to Kraig!
So the LIRH is in no way a substitute for the LBRP since the do different right?
I read one of your articles were another instructor you mentioned said something like "If you not invoking everyday your not making progress!" Did you agree with this. Can you elaborate more!
As for the whole Lavey thing, I feel like I just stepped in dog **** and have never been able to get off my foot.
So If I'm understanding you correctly, lay off the LIRP , and continue with just the LBRP, LIRH and the MPR in that order. Correct? Can you please explain what goes on MAGICALLY when I use all four?
Also I really enjoyed your rendition of the "Solar Crossing And Protection Ritual" which I want to starting using again soon! Do you recommend using it once a year or in my case every month or just add this to my daily practice?
I have notice an interesting effect doing these rituals in the morning before work is that I feel energized at work and can get everything done no matter how big the work load and I don't seem to need as much caffeine as before. Interesting huh!
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
First off, yes. Definitely drop the LIRP from your practice and end with the Qabalisitic Cross. What is going on if you conclude with the LIRP is that you basically are hyping your sphere of sensation back up after invoking the divine with the MP. I would expect that to cause effects like anxiety and other friction in your life.
I will probably catch some hell for posting this publicly (if any of Kraig's fans ever find it), but Kraig really was a dabbler as far as ceremonial magick went and I know this from someone who knew him personally back in the 1980's here in the Twin Cities. His real interest was tantra and sex magick, so Modern Sex Magick is a lot more authoritative and includes a lot more stuff he actually worked on.
He couldn't even follow my LBRP/LIRH operant field. He said that it was a "different map" - well, sure, a different map that produces measurably better effects. That is, a better map. And I did experiment with his recommendation too, LBRP/LBRH/Opening by Watchtower, for practical operations. But it just doesn't work as well as a straight operant field, which also has the advantage of being simpler.
The LIRH is not a substitute for the LBRP. They do different things. And they should always be done together to get the operant field effect.
So I would agree with the statement that you aren't making as much progress on days when you don't invoke or skip practices altogether. But the thing is, spiritual realization is not a race. Depending on your will and the situation you are in, the right thing to do might be to drop practices for a period of time, or like with the LBRP/LBRH up above, just banish for a week. There's no one size fits all and there is no certain test. I recommend students practice daily to the best of their ability and invoke when they can, but it's not some kind of rule and it also isn't necessarily the best thing to do.
As for the Solar Uncrossing and Protection Ritual, just like uncrossings in Hoodoo, you do it when you feel like you need it. If it feels more like you should do it monthly because you are in a very stressful situation or something like that, do that. If things are going smoothly, do it once a year or once every couple of years. I think adding it to your daily practices is probably overkill - with planetary work it's good to give an operation a complete Moon cycle to work before recasting, so I wouldn't do it any more frequently than once a month.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
So let make sure I'm understanding you correctly.
Your not saying drop all practices, just the invoking ones?
Do the LBRP only?
Why drop the LIRH and MP also?
Whats the logic?
And since I have had so much trouble with the BANISH RITUAL OF THE HEXAGRAM whats the guarantee that it wont do this again leave vulnerable to the same problems I had before?
Could I do the LBRH before the LBRP ot again after to build up my defenses again.
The rituals prior to Kraig come from Lavey and the Enochian Keys listed in his book.
I'm not trying disagree with you on whether the Enochian were nonsense are not but I did seem to get some kind desired effect especially when I just used the keys alone with out the ritual, especially KEY 18! I even had it memorized. There were other keys to that seemed to give off an effect! Maybe some the Enochian Keys were not changed from the original or maybe the changes were not enough to matter! I don't know for sure. The way it seemed to work was to effect human behavior. Like some undercurrent influence most people were not aware of. Maybe a spirit took some kind of interest and it seem to work. Weirdo's
the violent the angry the promiscuous just seemed to show up where the had never done so before. I got tired of this (as did Lavey later in life) He even called some of his members fanatics and weirdos. Does Not seem he had any loyalty to them at all.
The problem I had was that this system was not compatible with true or real Magickal systems! It caused conflicts and problems just like a jealous girlfriend!
I wanted to study and to delve into other REAL forms of Magick, but it seemed stop hamper my progress!
Of Course I' trying to explain things from my own perspective regardless of whether you buy into it or not. I could be wrong but that does not help explain all of the weird **** that accompanied the use of the rituals and the Enochian and later just the Keys themselves.
One thing that you pointed out to me was very useful. You said something " Your supposed to use the ritual as given from either your books or John Dee's" Since Lavey had pushed there use so much I just used the all the time especially Key 18 When I read what you said I began to realise that Lavey was just another Dabbler in things he did not fully understand.
Of course I stopped using Lavey's system when I started using Kraigs and the stopped suing Kraig's when I started using your! There are certainly a lot Magical Dabblers who specialize in dead Magical ends!
Now (from my perspective) because I used Key 18 and various other keys from time to time and have stop using now,there seems to be some intelligent unseen force that has in the past caused me constant conflict in my daily life and has a causes other human being to seem in an inaccurate and skewed light! I'm constantly misunderstood and blamed for everything under the sun! Problems arise out of nowhere mostly from aggressive manipulation humans, and sometimes events just seem to go south for no apparent reason!
THat is if I don't do my LBRP everyday, and when I did my LBRH this intelligent force seems to back into my life with a VENGEANCE and causes havoc in my life!
I wrote all this out because you said that you needed to know the rituals and details in order to offer the correct or proper Magickal advise or remedy.
Also you did not have to GO OUT ON A LIMB about agreeing with me concerning Kraig, but
THANK YOU for that! But people do need to be informed so that they don't fall into the same Magickal pitfalls I did! I place both Lavey and Kraig in the same category as Magical Dabblers! Something that should be avoided at all costs.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
No, I am recommending dropping just the LIRP from your sequence. So if you followed that recommendation, what you would be doing is:
LBRP -> LIRH -> MP -> QC
Instead of:
LBRP -> LIRH -> MP -> LIRP
Does that make sense? I am not suggesting you drop all your practices, just that you don't end them with an LIRP.
The deal with the Enochian Keys is that they are one piece of a magical system, not a magical system unto themselves. According to the Dee material, each of them opens a particular area of the universe in which certain of the Enochian entities reside. Once you say the Key, you them call on the spirit you want to work with who presumably resides in that region.
The Keys can still have an effect if you modify the wording, but my guess is that it diminishes as you make more changes (like LaVey did). It's hard to say what might have happened if you were just saying the (modified) Key. It could have possibly done something like partially opened the region it corresponds to, and then without further direction it would have just drawn the attention of the spirits in general who reside there. But that's just a guess.
With that information, it sounds to me like what you're dealing with is something akin to a crossed condition, and I would say that you correctly intuited that something like the Solar Uncrossing and Protection Ritual would help you. Crossed conditions can arise from attracting the attention of spirits without giving them any direction, like reciting the Keys without a formal conjuration. So maybe that's exactly what it is. I would definitely suggest trying out that ritual and seeing what happens. Forget about that "full shutdown" banishing idea - it's not all that effective as an uncrossing, whereas the solar ritual works quite well.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Would working with the Saturn Ritual also be helpful because it can remove curses or unwanted
elements or people or spirits from your life?
Also, when is it appropriate or the best time to use the Invoking Ritual of the Pentagram?
Is it just a substitute for the Invoking Ritual of the Hexagram? Or do the both do different things?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Yes that make sense.
Do the LBRP -> LIRH -> MP -> QC
Doing the Qabalistic Cross at the end of my daily Rituals will link them to my consciousness like you suggest as an option (instead of doing the complete LBRP) to end a Planetary Summoning Rituals correct?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Also what exactly does Enochian Key 18 supposed do anyway, since I don't trust what Lavey said that it Cast a Blessing on the User! The REAL KEY 18 must do something different or more powerful as part of a Complete Ritual of course right? Have you ever employed Key 18 and what were the results if you did? If you have not used Key 18 is there a specific reason?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
As with Saturn, would Working with Mars help the situation?
Why or why not?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
It is very possible that working with Saturn and Mars to remove and protect you from negative magick, including curses, would help. In your situation I would probably at least give it a try and see what happens.
The Lesser Invoking Ritual of the Pentagram is good for energizing your sphere of consciousness and bodily energies. It can be helpful if you are doing self-healing energy work, for example. It is not remotely the same thing as the Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram, which works with macrocosmic forces beyond your sphere of consciousness - that is, objects, situations, and forces in the material world.
Ending your daily practice with just the QC will seal the results of the practice, whereas ending with an LIRP will "amp-up" your consciousness. One of the possible side effects of that is anxiety, irritability, and so forth, which it sounded at least a little like you were experiencing in your initial message.
So by Enochian Key 18, you mean this one, right?
"O you mighty Light and burning flame of comfort which opens the glory of God to the centre of the earth..."
I don't arrange the Keys the same way the Golden Dawn does. In my arrangement, it's the fourth of four Keys (15, 16, 17, 18) used to call the Angels of Living Creatures and the Angels of Secret Discovery. It does nothing on its own besides opening the region of the universe in which those entities reside.
In the Golden Dawn system, it's attributed to the Earthly part of Fire. I'm not sure what the GD has to say about using it on its own, but I can't imagine it would have a very predictable effect - in this schema it's basically just an elemental space tuning.
In both cases, the Key used on its own wouldn't have a very predictable effect. It's like opening and door and then refraining from calling anything through it. The proper usage in both cases is to follow the key with some sort of conjuration.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Yes that's Enochian Key 18.
Is it possible, or necessary to close said " partially opened the region it corresponds"?
Or will it gradually close on its own naturally if given enough time? Would it require and Enochian Ritual to accomplish this? Will the the Solar Uncrossing and Protection Ritual and both Saturn and Mars Ritual do this?
Do you think that I may have offended a spirit, or was the spirit just trying to figure this situation out or if it was the spirit just being mischievous or malicious on its own, or maybe just got bored waiting for instructions?
Is there any type spirit psychology to understand this better?
Also, over the years I've noticed the this trend, that when I take one step forward, I end up taking another step back as in the LIRH. Is there any way to avoid this?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Dee did not even use a license to depart, so I assume that it should just close on its own over time.
The uncrossing and protection ritual would help with this more than working with Mars or Saturn would.
It's not clear that a spirit is (or was) directly doing anything to you. Crossed conditions and similar situations can just arise from exposure to magical energies in unusual configurations. So there may not be any "spirit psychology" related to it at all. Odds are that if a spirit really attacked you, you would notice it. It might have something to do with a spirit poking around trying to see what was going on, though. There are a lot of possibilities, so it's hard to narrow any one of them down.
As for your last question, I don't know how to answer it in a way that will be particularly helpful. The problem is bigger than anything you and/or I are doing. The problem is that we don't have a general theory of magick against which to test techniques, and we don't have that because of secrecy, gatekeeping, lack of peer review, and all those things I rail against all the time on the blog and in my videos.
More magicians need to be working scientifically, or at least as scientifically as possible. I try to do that in my own work, but I'm just one person. Without rigorous peer review it's just as possible for me as for anyone else to be misled by an apparently profound result. I've gone through this too in the process of learning everything I try to teach here, and believe me it wasn't a straight line.
I would like to ask what a Angel really is?
Is it a current of energy without shape but is inteligent.
Like it exists on a finer and more abstract vibrations level then people.
What you think by your experience and knowledge is the most effective way to influence reality by our will besides mundane efforts.I mean magicly.
I can tell you what I think, but there really is nobody out there who knows for sure at this point. That's one of those issues that you would need an experimentally verified general theory/model of magick.
What I think is close to what you are suggesting. They definitely seem to behave like intelligent currents of energy. I wouldn't say they are entirely without shape, though those would be diffuse energetic rather than concentrated material shapes. "Finer" is hard to define - might be accurate if you consider energy finer than matter. They really aren't more "abstract" though unless you consider energy more abstract than matter.
The answer to your last question is basically everything on magick I post here on Augoeides. The rituals I post are the kinds of rituals that I do, and those are the kinds of rituals that I have found work the best for me. I can't really summarize all that work in a few sentences. How could I?
In magic if someone has achieved some point where they are powerfull to influence reality greatly are they free to do whatever they please.
Like they do negative things if strong enough and nobody in astral world will or anything Will do to stop then or neutralize them.I read something on from a man who said stuff like:
-"You can influence only if you have enough strenght"
-"Practice enough and there s energetic domination"
About energetic domination i guess if you practice enough you can somehow use that energy or a good energetic balance influence the material somehow.
Maybe i did n t understood well or clearly what he said but the impression was do anything only if you are strong enough.
He also said that it needs to be im some kind of balance when you do things.Like if you have alturism train egoism and vice versa.These poles should be less polarazied by that traning i guess.
Main qouestion is if someone would be able to extert their Will magicly with no ethics there s no mechanism that will punish them.Like in material world if a boss extert his will over workers negativly like less pay,more workshifts,bad behaviour and gets his way is it possible that there s astral equivalent to that situation.
Like influence and concentrate energy,get more and more energy and if strong enough energy influence matter.
If talented enough he got no restrictions.
Maybe it s not possible to get that amount od energy to infuence but it s a interesting tought.
I am not really sure what the person you are quoting is talking about it. It could be a number of different things. But as to your questions:
There is nothing out there in "the universe" that automatically punishes unethical magick. I've written about this a number of times. The "threefold law" just comes from sloppy casting without a containment structure and is not even "threefold." The New Age idea of "karma" is a made-up idea from Theosophy that few Buddhists would even recognize. And so forth.
But magick, like all real things, has physical limits. I'm not sure exactly what they are, but they exist. To get some idea of what they are, you can look at parapsychology research and what people have managed to do with psychic powers. Psychic effects should be achievable using magick, Working with spirits is more effective than using your own psychic abilities, but a lot of the best psychics seem to have figured this out even if they don't practice ceremonial magick.
For example, here's an account I found from Guy Savelli, one of the best psychics in the American mility's psychic research program back in the 1980's and early 1990's, fictionalized (pretty accurately) in the film "The Men Who Stare at Goats." Savelli was able to knock out a goat with his psychic powers, and this article quotes his account of how he did it:
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2016/12/staring-at-goats.html
He basically identified with the divine and then called on the Archangel Michael, pretty much like a ceremonialist might do. And I'm pretty sure nothing on "the astral" punished him for knocking out that goat.
But stuff that psychics can't do - like, say, lift a car with the power of their mind - is probably not something you are ever going to be able to do with practice, energy, or whatever, no matter how good you get. That's the stuff of comic books and movies.
What s the difference beetwen calling a God of a specific Path or Sephirot (Netzatch-Venus,Geburah-Mars) ,offering sacrifice and asking for something and conjuring a Angel?
Are Gods more higher on a hyerarchy or are smiliar ?
Have you ever heard about a CIA project called "MKOFTEN"?
And can a man be sucesfull like Savelli when conjuring a Angel without ceremonial mean?
Like if i m im a situation where i can t do MP or Pentagram ritual how would i ask a Angel to help?
Maybe i m at Job intervew and how would i ask Michael to help me?
Would i visualize its sigil to ask ?
Gods are above angels in the spiritual hierarchy. That is why you conjure angels by the godname. In planetary magick, the hierarchy is like this:
God -> Angel -> Intelligence -> Spirit
So you conjure the angel by the god name, the intelligence by the angel name, and the spirit by the intelligence name.
I am not familiar with that program. I found a brief wikipedia article on it that to me just sounds like some sort of urban folklore. The CIA paranormal research project that ran until 1995 was called Project Stargate and focused on remote viewing. There are rumors that it was revived during the second Bush administration, but that material is all still classified.
Savelli pretty much describes how he did it.
1. Visualized himself uniting with God. (That's the preliminary invocation)
2. Visualized himself as God calling on Michael to knock out the goat. (That's the conjuration)
Then he held that second visualization until "the goat was down."
There are a lot of things you can do with magick that don't involve ceremonial forms. Ceremonial forms are basically just optimizations. We use them because they work better than straight visualization and psychic ability, not because they are the only workable approach.
I would say that Savelli's technique could probably be optimized by visualizing Michael's sigil along with what you want him to do. When Savelli did it he visualized the famous painting of Michael defeating Satan, but a sigil is simpler and probably will connect better.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I have followed your advice and have stopped performing the LIRP while still performing the LBRP, LIRH, and MPR. It seems that the "PRESSURE" in my Mind? Brain? Has started to lessen and my sensitivity to other people comments or behavior has less of an impact on me than before I stopped using LIRP. I have moments when I feel numb or indifferent. Usually right after I perform LBRP, LIRH, and MPR. At other times usually several hours done LBRP, LIRH, and MPR, I start to feel more sensitive to events or other peoples behavior and comments. Weird?
Can you please explain this in relation to LIRP, or LBRP, LIRH, and MPR? Which one is causing each sensation?
Also I read that AWARENESS is key to any kind psychic (MENTAL) self defense. Whats your take on this, and which one of these rituals or other rituals increase your AWARENESS?
Lastly I just curious as to why JEHOVAH was selected for the east pentagram in the LBRP as opposed to ELOHIM, since the EAST is associated with air or wind and ELOHIM or JEHOVAH ELOHIM is associated with the throat where air or the BREATH OF LIFE enters the rest of the body?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Since you have delved into Crowley's teachings, was there ever a time that you had to take a step back from a ritual like I have had to do? Not add a ritual, or remove a ritual from daily practice?
Crowley may have been more advanced than what a beginner could understand, but he definitely knew what he was talking about. He was no dabbler, and I would it find it hard to believe that he would ever misled, or not have a complete understanding or grasp of any ritual he taught.
So what was the deal with The ABBEY OF THELEMA in ITALY, where a student got sick and died?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
What you are asking me here is pretty difficult to break down, since it's all subjective and people can experience the rituals in different ways. I thought maybe the LIRP might be increasing pressure or anxiety because it energizes your sphere of sensation - basically it could "hype you up" instead of calming you down. But I wasn't sure I was right, and I'm glad to hear that dropping it seems to have helped. What the rituals do is as follows:
1. LBRP - clears and calms your sphere of sensation.
2. LIRH - invokes the forces of nature into your sphere of sensation, aligning microcosm and macrocosm.
3. MP - infuses your microcosmic sphere of sensation with the macrocosmic energy of the divine.
4. QC - seals the practice and centers your sphere of sensation.
As far as awareness goes, all magical practice increases your psychic awareness. I've talked about that a bit in the videos, that when people start practicing their psychic senses turn on and start to work better - and as a result they can perceive things that they couldn't before.
I didn't design the LRP so I can't for sure why each name was placed where it is. I do know that they aren't related to elements or elemental directions - those only come in when you call the archangels. The four names that are used are referred to as the four tetragrammatic names of God in Rosenroth's Kabbalah Unveiled, which was Mathers' main source for his attributions, and I'm pretty sure those were the four selected for that reason. I'm not sure how they were matched to the directions, though.
As far as adding or removing rituals from my practices, or trying some ritual method only to find that in the end it didn't really work? Seeing as my approach to magick is based on experimental science, that's the rule rather than the exception for any new technique I try to develop. With research there are a lot of false starts, and to work that out you have to stick with a technique long enough to develop a decent sample size to accurately rate the probability shifts.
My understanding of the story of the student who died at Cephalu is that he drank water from a stream that Crowley warned him not to drink out of, and he contracted some water-born illness. Not sure why that's important in the current context, but according to the best Crowley historians I know that's what happened.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I just wondered if you found Crowley a reliable resource of useful information (or just a great waste of time and money) because you have referenced 777 or if there had ever been issues like I did with Kraig or Lavey! I basically want to read what you have written plus the the sources that inspired you to start your blog. Just trying to be thorough and not make as many mistakes as before. Is keeping a MAGICKAL JOURNAL what your referring to as "DEVELOPE A DECENT SAMPLE SIZE" ? I want to trust Crowley, but I also wanted to trust Kraig and Lavey which did not turn out so well, so hearing about one of Crowley's students dropping dead seemed like a warning sign. Thought I'd ask since you know more than I do.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
I do find Crowley to be a reliable source when it comes to the technology of how magick works. Liber 777 isn't just Crowley, it began as a list of correspondences assembled by Crowley's Golden Dawn mentor Alan Bennett and was later expanded and revised.
Crowley was in a very different situation than LaVey and Kraig. LaVey's problem was that he didn't take magick very seriously. That's the main reason the Temple of Set split from the Church of Satan - they were serious about ritual work and LaVey wasn't.
Kraig's problem is that he wrote well about the tradition, but wasn't very experimental-minded. He pretty much got all of the base material for his book from the Ciceros and reproduced it largely uncritically. In fact, I know a person who knew Kraig who, upon finding out he was coming out with an occult book, literally asked if he wanted help testing out any of the rituals in it. His response? "No, it's all been tested."
No wonder he couldn't get his brain around the operant field.
Crowley, though, made it his mission to work magick according to "the method of science, the aim of religion." You can see from his diaries (which we have) that he was very devoted to the work, and importantly to testing it in as scientific a manner as possible. In my opinion, that's his biggest contribution to the discipline - to treat magick like a kind of "fringe science" rather than an unquestioned collection of proprietary lore.
He was also independently wealthy earlier in his life and blew through his entire fortune traveling the world while doing magical experiments and self-publishing his results. I think most of us would like to have a life like that, and few of us do. But it is clear from the diaries that he really did spend all that time and money working on magick and trying things out experimentally to see what worked.
This is not to say that he got everything right, or that his work should be treated like unchanging lore. Crowley wrote that magick should be a "progressive science," meaning that it should evolve and change and improve over time like other scientific disciplines. There are people out there who try to present Crowley as the end-all, be-all of magick and I just don't think that's true.
That is also not to say that he was necessarily an awesome person. It's very clear from the history that he was often so preoccupied with his magical work and magical experiments that he neglected a lot of the people around him and maintaining regular human relationships with them. He could also be harsh as a teacher and treated a fair number of his students badly. I definitely don't see him as a person to emulate, but in terms of magical tech he really knew most of what there was to know about the magick that was current during his lifetime.
Crowley's work really is the best starting point I've found, which is a shame because he really couldn't write well at a beginner level at all. That fact alone, I think, has caused an awful lot of grief among magical students for a long time.
Hypoteticly if i call Angel Michael in a hurry i could add Sun kamea?
And would i visualize the sigil like from Sun Operation article here with four colours?
I was thinking i could visualize going above Kether and identify with Ain Soph Aur since that s the highest state or Kether.
And then i imagine sigil in Tipharet or Path od Sun , calling Michael 6 Times,and ask my request.
Maybe imagining Angel in Yellow doing something that will give me a result.
Then i get back from Kether to Malkhut.
Just can i do God asumption like that.I tought it was forbiden to identify with God or something smiliar.
Also do you belive since Crowley is mentioned that Demon of Abyys
apeared in Egypt when he was duing the operation?
Was the Demon real objectivly there ?
Sure. You can add any element from the conjuration to your visualization as long as it doesn't become so complex that you have difficulty maintaining it.
Of a course the leaders of a religion is going to forbid identifying with God if they want to maintain a tight control on the dogma.
I have no way of knowing if somebody else's account of interacting with a spirit was objective or not - again, no general theory of magick to test that against. The ones I work with seem to be objective, though, so I tend to assume other magicians' experiences with them are as well. Crowley described his experience as involving an objective spirit, so I am willing to take his word for it with the caveat that I could be wrong.
As a point, though - it's pretty clear when you read the account that the spirit possessed Crowley when it went after Neuberg and so forth. Spirits can't grapple with people or whatever without a physical body. Golden Dawn training was lacking in the area of spirit possession, so it probably took Crowley by surprise. But it's common in a number of other traditions.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Do you encourage other people and your students to read Crowley's books to at least gain a better understand or appreciation for treating MAGICK like a science or become more well rounded MAGICKALLY?
What about Dion Fortune? WAs she just a Crowley fan girl or does she have something to offer?
Was John Dee a better Magician than Crowley or were the pretty much an par with each other?
What about Eliphas Levi, Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa or Austin Osman Spare how do they compare To Crowley?
Have you found any of their Books useful?
So are you mostly talking about keeping a Magical Diary to treat MAGICK like a (FRINGE SCIENCE)?
And since I have in the past and will in the future to continue to use the summoning rituals you have provided, what is the best method for treating MAGICK like a "progressive science," ? Practice and record results? Recording The Magickal Hours and Moon Void of Course? Weather Conditions? What else would you add? Have you made a Magickal Experiment Records Template?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
I would encourage people to read Crowley once they have a basic grasp of magical terminology and ideas. The main problem with Crowley's writing is that he assumes that the reader has at least some idea of what he's talking about. His work is more complex than most beginners can follow easily.
Dion Fortune was not a Crowley fan-girl in any sense of the word. She was quite critical of him at times. A lot of people like her work on Qabalah and her psychic self-defense book is more popular than it should be in this day and age.
It is absolutely impossible to say who was the "better magician" when you're looking across centuries. First of all, you have various mythical stories to contend with. Agrippa supposedly did a number of things that I'm pretty sure are flat-out impossible. And we don't know for sure what magick Dee actually did because he never wrote anything about it. I use both Dee and Agrippa as sources in my own work, but it would be hard to compare the Three Books of Occult Philosophy and the Enochian diaries. They're completely different kinds of books.
Once we get into the modern age, there's a progression - Levi lay a lot of the foundation of what became the Golden Dawn thanks to Mathers and Wescott, and then Crowley learned the Golden Dawn system and built on that to create Thelema.
Spare and Crowley were contemporaries, and the Spare sigil technique does work, but I can't say I've ever found much of Spare's exposition that useful. He explains magick according to a bunch of psychoanalytic principles that have been disproved over about the last twenty years. Really, if you are interested in learning that technique, I think you would do better to skip Spare altogether and look at modern chaos magick. The base technique is from Spare but the chaos magicians have been experimenting with and refining it since the 1970's.
Basically what I do is record the date and exact start time for operations (and the location, but I'm pretty much a homebody - I don't leave the Twin Cities very often, so my rituals are done here by default). I can then drop that into astrology software and review the full chart for the operation whenever I want. This is the moment the ritual began, regardless of how long it runs. You can also put that into a resource like Lunarium to find everything you need for chart victors and final aspects. So I don't really need a template per se, just good timekeeping and access to some digital resources.
But yes, record that moment, the time limit for your operation, and the results (once the time limit is up). The other thing you have to do is multiple repetitions to build up your sample size when you are working out the best way to do forms, because one good result with a particular technique could always be a fluke.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I have read that Dr. John Dee had pretty much lost a lot of his reputation after traveling abroad and practicing Enochian MAGICK. Before he had been a member of Queen Elizabeth The 1st court.
Queen Elizabeth even had Dr. John Dee horoscope drawn up before her coronation. He was also an agent or spy for Queen Elizabeth, when he traveled Europe. His code name was 007?! He developed his own cipher system, Some say it was based on Enochian.
Something happened in Belgium though and when Dr.John Dee returned to England he no longer had ties to the Queen Elizabeth and was shunned. He separated from his Seer Edward Kelly,
and Edward Kelley's life did not turn out well either.
You mentioned that Dr John Dee did not give any account of his MAGICAL working, but since you have worked with the Enochian MAGICK system do you have any insights as to what might have gone wrong?
Also its interesting that Crowley also work as a spy for the British Government during WW2.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
I am familiar with some of that history, but I do know that the deal with him being shunned by the court happened much later than his break with Kelley in 1587. Dee remained a member of the royal court until 1603 and the reason had nothing to do with magick - Elizabeth died and James I (of the King James Bible fame) became king. James was obsessed with things like witch hunting and he basically fired Dee from the court and proceeded to completely ignore him. Dee even petitioned James at one point to try him for witchcraft because he was convinced he could prove his innocence to a court, but to no avail. Dee died five years after Elizabeth in 1608 without James ever responding to his petition.
So that was Dee. The trouble with surviving on royal patronage is that if you outlive your patron, you're on your own. Nothing paranormal about that.
As for Kelley - he tried to scam a bunch of money out of Rudolph II by claiming to be able to produce large quantities of gold by means of alchemy. Rudolph finally got tired of Kelley making excuses for why he couldn't come up with the gold and threw him in prison. He then escaped from said prison, but died not long after from wounds sustained during his escape.
What went wrong for Kelley is that he tried to scam the Holy Roman Emperor and got caught. Again, nothing to do with magick there.
I think for whatever reason there's a lot of energy around the idea that when bad things happen to people who do magick, something going wrong with the magick is what's to blame. But in fact the way the world works is that bad things just happen sometimes, whether our magick is good or bad. You'd like to think that better magicians encounter less bad things, and I would say that it seems to hold true for me that fewer bad things have happened to me as I've gotten better at magick.
Even so, it's always statistical. Even if I say, lower my odds of having to deal with some unpleasant situation from 60% to 20%, it still will hit me one time out of five. It's just that one time out of five is a lot better than three times out of five, which would be my odds without the magick.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I did not mean to imply that bad things happen to people who are doing MAGICK, but doing MAGICK incorrectly or doing MAGICK when you don't know what your doing, could cause negative experiences later as a result. I would say that when I have done MAGICK correctly with a little experience, thing go well for me. I have just had some bad experiences and I am just trying to avoid or learn from those bad experiences to avoid repeating them. And I thought that looking at someone else's MAGICKALLY related experiences might give me an insight.
It does not help to know that it is all subjective, since I would not even know what to do with that information. A common thread is useful, where as a random result cannot even be quantified.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
Also some of the sources I have read, gave out incomplete or false information, which you have been able to clarify. The reason for q and a about the authors was to determine which was helpful and which was not. Just trying to develop my critical thinking when it comes to MAGICK.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Mr. Stenwick,
Can you please confirm or correct my understanding of how to use the Spirit Names with the corresponding Kameas in cases of an overlap with some of the names?:
Elemental Air Invocation:
"In the name of YHVH (Yah.Veh),
of the Archangel RAPHAEL (Rah.Fah.Ehl),
of the Angel CHASSAN* (Kha.Sahn),
and of the Ruler ARIEL (Ah.Ree.Ell),
I invoke ye, ye forces of RUACH* (Rue.Akh).
Mercury Invocation:
"In the name of ELOHIM TZAVAOTH,
the Archangel RAPHAEL (Rah.Fah.Ehl),
and of the Planetary Intelligence TIRIEL (Tee.Ree.Ehl),
I invoke ye, ye Forces of KOKAV (Koh.Kahv)."
Hod Invocation:
"In the name of ELOHIM TZAVAOTH,
the Archangel RAPHAEL (Rah.Fah.Ehl),
of the Choir of Angels BENI ELOHIM (Beh.Nee Ehl.Oh.Heem)
I invoke ye, ye Forces of HOD (Hode)."
Is my understanding of these correct?
Thanks.
I am all in favor of critical thinking, one hundred percent. The reason that a lot of it is subjective, though, is that we just don't have enough information to, for example, compare Crowley with Agrippa. Their published works are pretty much on par - Three Books of Occult Philosophy was pretty much the compendium of the Western Magical Tradition up to that point, while the material Crowley published in Magick: Book Four and The Equinox was similarly comprehensive regarding the state of magick in the early 20th century.
But we have no records outside of folklore of what - if anything - Agrippa actually did with magick. The material in the Three Books suggests that he did work with it personally, since there are some effective techniques in there that could only have been developed by experimentation. There are no journals or diaries or anything, though, that tells us how those experiments were done, what the success rate was, and so forth. Whereas with Crowley, he kept a magical diary most of his life that we can refer back to.
With Dee you can get a little closer, because he kept diaries of his scrying sessions. But there's nothing in there about practical experiments, so again, we have no idea. There's the one conjuration in the Heptarchia that by its wording suggests Dee might have conjured one of the Princes against the Spanish Armada in 1588, with historically significant results. But that literally is the only evidence we have that Dee ever did practical work, which has led some authors to conclude that he never actually used the magical system he and Kelley worked so hard to document.
What I will say is that in my experience, over the course of decades, when you do magick incorrectly by far the most common result is that nothing happens. The worst thing that I've ever had happen was a bit of transitory bad luck that cleared up quickly. That leads me to believe most of the stories of magicians messing up their entire lives by making small mistakes is more folklore than truth.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I think your right though, "I think for whatever reason there's a lot of energy around the idea that when bad things happen to people who do magick, something going wrong with the magick is what's to blame."
I should keep moving forward and not dwell on the past, beyond whats useful.
I should focus on the here and now, and improve my knowledge and understanding, not get fixated on past mistakes.
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
@Merlyn78: As you mentioned in your other post, the godnames and angel names are not always the same between planets and sephiroth. This seems to cause no end of confusion on the ceremonial magick school group - since it seems like it gets asked about over and over again.
Mercury and the Sun get asked about the most. The deal is that Hod isn't Mercury and Sun isn't Tipharth. Hod is attributed to Mercury and Tiphareth is attributed to the Sun. That sounds almost the same, but it's an important distinction. It's important because the attributions are not one-to-one across the board. So you wind up with:
Tiphareth
---------
Godname: YHVH Eloah ve-Daath
Angel: Raphael
Sun
---
Godname: ALH
Angel: Michael
Hod
---
Godname: Elohim Tzabaoth
Angel: Michael
Mercury
-------
Godname: Azbugeh
Angel: Raphael
The different kameas help to keep this straight. So if you see the sigil for Raphael drawn on the 8 x 8 kamea, that's Mercury. On the 6 x 6, it's Tiphareth. Likewise, the sigil for Michael drawn on a 6 x 6 kamea is the Sun, and on the 8 x 8 it's Hod.
Also - for the elements you would use the 9 x 9 Moon kamea. So if you see Michael on a 9 x 9 that's Fire, and Raphael on a 9 x 9 is Air. And so forth.
Does that make sense?
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Thank you. I really appreciate it.
in your group’s experience and following the model you’ve set out, will a practical working of one element interfere with a series of initiatory rituals for another element or would it run under the same idea you and Alex put forth about HGA and practical work?
Specific practical operations that you need to perform for whatever reason should not interfere with ongoing initiatory processes. So basically it seems to be the same as with HGA work, which is itself part of the initiatory process.
What you think about death ?
Is there a process after death,floating in Astral,residing somewhere?
Something that s not voidness or total non-existence.
Have you ever had a miracle situation with Magick that s non-probable normaly?
I personaly had a situation when i could not remember a song.
Then i did a MP ,visualized i remembered a song ,used a Hod vibration,colour,place.
After i done it i turned on a radio and sit.After 2 min that song i could not remember played.
Totaly non-probable.
I m asking just for a example.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I've continued to follow your advice and have only been, performing the LBRP, IRH, MP, and QC.
Not the LIRP!
My mind doesn't seem as clouded and I doesn't have the pressure I felt before. I'm not as agitated and don't have as much anxiety as before.
People that I clashed with before I stopped doing the LIRP no longer want to argue with me?
Does that make sense? Do you have any insights on why this is?
Should I just keep up just these rituals for a while, or could I add more. What would you recommend?
What Is HGA work?
Also can you describe the Enochian LBRP? Is it the same or more powerful than the traditional LBRP?
Does it serve different function?
Have you or could you add it to regular daily ritual practices or would it just be unnecessary or overkill?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
Since the function of the LIRP is to energize your sphere of consciousness, which includes your aura (as the New Agers describe it). So I am thinking that (A) dropping it from your practices keeps it from increasing your discomfort and/or anxiety, and (B) your overall energetic state may not be such that it does not prompt confrontational responses from others. That's pretty much how I was hoping dropping it would work, and I'm glad you are feeling better.
If your practices are working for you, you don't need to add more. Just get comfortable with what you are doing.
In the Thelemic system, HGA work is mostly undertaken by means of Crowley's Liber Samekh. I have a whole article about it here:
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-path-of-initiation-holy-guardian.html
Basically what I tell people is that if they're not doing Enochian, they don't need to be doing Enochian.
If by "Enochian LBRP" you mean the Golden Dawn "Supreme Ritual of the Pentagram," which includes both Hebrew and Enochian names, that has a lot more in common with the Greater pentagram ritual than with the Lesser - so it's really most appropriate for practical operations involving specific elements, not as a daily practice. More to the point, what it really is for is elemental operations specific to the Golden Dawn attributions of the Enochian system (which differ from mine).
If you are talking about something like my AOIVEAE (which is like an Enochian LRP), again, I wouldn't recommend using it except as part of a specifically Enochian ritual. It helps if you are conjuring Enochian entities, but otherwise there's no reason to think that the Enochian names of power rule over any aspect of the magical universe besides Enochian entities.
So I definitely wouldn't add it to your daily practices. I did try doing my AOIVEAE/MADRIAX combination as a daily practice for a year or so when I was doing a lot of Enochian work, and I can't say that doing them daily confers any additional benefits besides putting me in a better frame of mind for working with Enochian entities.
Regarding death, in the Gnostic Mass the following can be found in the Collects:
"Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen may there be granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will absorption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve the labour and heroism of incarnation on this planet or another, or in any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the accomplishment of their wills; yea, the accomplishment of their wills."
So as I see it, this implies the Thelemic perspective is that beyond death you have a lot of options, and it depends on your individual will.
Every successful operation has some degree of improbability. It doesn't take a lot of magick to make something likely happen, after all. Just as a couple examples, I've gotten myself jobs that were unlikely based on my background, gotten way more numbers on lotteries than I ever should have due to chance, and done all sorts of other unlikely things for my friends and allies that I'm not going to go into here.
I have done the sort of thing you describe, too, using magick to bring up memories or associations or whatever in my mind that I'm having trouble recalling or making.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
I never meant to imply that MAGICK was the root cause of a negative experienced, just its misuse or or not doing MAGICK correctly.
So when said that usually the result of not doing something correctly is nothing or no result is helpful and I can fill more confident in my MAGICK rituals now.
My purpose is to use MAGICK for everything, like you suggested in your articles.
Is there no way to avoid setbacks?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
You can ask God for favours right?
I did MP for Mercury ,vibrated Azbugeh and asked for help for solving puzzle in-game.
And it worked that day.
And are Gods more likely to do something without limitation list.Since they are higher on hyerarchy maybe they do more insight.
And is it Aa good Idea to use offerings to Gods coresponding to Sephirots from Liber ?
I guess what I would say there is that there is no way to avoid all setbacks. That's the case with learning anything. It's true that magick is more difficult because there's no general theory to test results against at this point, but there are other areas with similar problems like psychology. Look up the psychology replication crisis from a few years back now - some of those failed replications represented huge setbacks in a field that supports massive academic research institutes.
As I see it the best way to avoid setbacks in magick is to try out techniques for yourself, keep careful notes, and on the basis of those notes do your best to identify the ones that work best for you. Then stick with those.
As far as working with gods go, it can be hard to work out general rules because they all are different. Generally speaking, though, I would say this.
Gods are "higher up" on the spiritual hierarchy, which also means they are further removed from day-to-day reality. They will definitely have more "global insight" about the universe as a whole than the spirits that are within their domain. But that doesn't necessarily mean that working with them is more effective for what you need. Gods have more overall power, but in my experience they are less connected with our day-to-day reality and won't necessarily work as quickly as a spirit. So you can't just say that they always work better, or anything like that. Your results will vary depending on the situation.
As far as offerings go, gods seem to like appropriate offerings from Liber 777. I've never had a god object when I've used them.
Scott i wanna tell people that some of your stuff here can be powerfull.
Today i did Felkin s MP for Mercury ,after each Sephirot i vibrated Angel Raphael 8 times ,told him my charge and told that he pass the charge to Inteligence and Spirit and told the Int and Spir name.Reason was to distract some People because they wanted me to do a job that s well kinda hard and i m unprepared for it.
So what happend their pet today was suddenly of-leash and cause some little problem and know they think about that
Basicly i done a minimum version of your ritual but it can have a effect.People should think really good about Injuction and especially limitation.
Cool. It certainly is possible to simplify the ritual forms and still get good results, depending on what you are looking to do. The more elaborate versions are what you use if you need the biggest probability shift possible and have the time and space to do them.
@Biship great job! As far as I can see from what you described, you've managed to program your personal sphere of sensation in some way that triggered those events around you and distracted those people.
I would also like to know about Tarot s use to contact Angels.
Would for example contemplating Moon Tarot The High Empress be used as a mean to contact Angel Gabriel or insight related to Moon stuff ?
Yes, a Tarot card can be used as a focus for meditation, travel in the spirit vision, and/or ceremonial rituals.
The Moon is the High Priestess and Venus is The Empress, so they can be used to connect with Gabriel (Moon) and Anael (Venus) respectively.
Have you ever know about Slavinski writer and if you do what you think about him?
I know i asked before but what are the most common factor of influence for a person s influence on reality?
No, I am not familiar with Slavinski at all. What are the basic points?
The "most common factor" for your influence on reality is going to depend on you. Everybody's will is different, and because of that everybody gets slightly different results. But maybe I'm not understanding the question - what exactly do you mean by that?
Slavinski has developed some tehniqs as he said "neutralize"polarities in a man s mind.He is a s occultist who is a psychologist and first writed book about Kabbalah and then developed his tehniqs.One is known as PEAT where you holding fingers on merdian points and make a statment about your problem.After you go thru it you are not polarized to that specific problem.Like in mind everything has a opposition ,two poles and when you merge or neutralize then that problem s charge dissapers or problem is not in you mind.i mean you still Got a problem in material world (if the problem is that nature)but it eill be easier to solve it now.It s believed you become more functional with his methods.
About Will i mean what are things affecting your operation?
Is it concentration,emotional energy,passion etc...
Thank you for sharing that. It does not sound like anything I have worked with, but I will keep it in mind as something to check out in the future.
The problem with isolating one factor as "most crucial" or "most important" is that magick doesn't work that way. It's a holistic discipline that combines many different factors in an organic arrangement. Years ago I wrote up my own take on a probability equation for magick based on the work of Peter Carroll (of chaos magick fame).
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2008/07/operant-equation.html
Is that the sort of thing you're looking for? Basically, in order to be really good at magick there are a number of factors that you have to work with. Deficiency in any of them can undermine your operation, so it is difficult if not impossible to rank any one of them as "most important."
Yes in some way.
What know interest me is how you view Freudian"subcosnious"(I m not native Enligsh)?
Like when you make a sigil,charge it ,destroy it does it someway continue to operate on "subcosnious"level?
Or you make a autosugestion , visualize something does it have a deeper effect after you done it?
It s believed that there s a hypnotic state or incerased state od sugestibility so when person has a shock or is tired,a sugestion can be said at that moment to influence subcosnious.
Like there s a line or critical factor in normal state,you remove that state and sugestion pass im subcosnious ?
It s also believed that when a sugestion reaches subcosnious it then seek to fulful that sugestion.It has no critical factor it just operate on command like a computer.And it s also connected to Universe and you activate some powers when you do these methods,etc.
Are they just myths?
Yes, I believe the Freudian interpretations of phenomena like that are all myths. Because Freud has been part of our popular culture for a long time, a lot of people don't realize how little scientific support there is for most of his ideas.
To be clear - neuroscience has shown that unconscious processes happen in the brain, but those processes work nothing like our experience of "mind." They are basically automatic conditioning loops that exist only because they correspond to reinforced behaviors and/or thought patterns. That process is like how a computer works, and you can deliberately create conditioning loops by reinforcing behaviors yourself, but it doesn't have anything to do with moving between "conscious areas" and "subconscious areas" of the mind. Those words are in quotes because your conscious mind is just your mind and the subconscious or unconscious is not anything like a mind.
You don't need to burn, destroy, or forget sigils. They work fine whether or not you do that. Hypnosis is a real thing, but basically it's just shifting your mind into an altered state of consciousness where some processes don't quite work the same. And so forth.
Is it possible to hypnotyze someone against their will?
Or is everything about hypnosys inconclusive.I remember reading something about CIA project about hypnosys but it was long ago.
Generally no, using regular methods of hypnosis.
The closest to that is probably the drug scopolamine. If you dose someone with it, it can put them in a hyper-suggestible state kind of like a hypnotic trance. It sometimes is used to rob people - dose them with the drug, then tell them to hand over their money and they'll just do it. Then they won't even remember it when the drug wears off.
The CIA did various experiments with psychedelics in the 1960's. As far as I know, though, none of the results proved especially useful.
Hi Mr. Stenwick,
You mentioned in the past, that you that you do not use Crowley's Holy Guardian Angel name, Aiwass, but you use the name of your own Holy Guardian Angel. Did you choose the name or did the your Holy Guardian reveal himself to you in some way?
Also is the Holy Guardian Angel the same as the term Higher Self?
Is the Holy Guardian Angel connected with the Crown Chakra or the Heart Chakra?
Do you have a ritual available to help reveal the name of the Holy Guardian Angel?
Thanks,
Jbyers2 @tx.rr.com
I divined it using the Tarot method that I discuss in the Holy Guardian Angel anthology and in this post on the Holy Guardian Angel invocation.
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-path-of-initiation-holy-guardian.html
That article also addresses the "higher self" question, which depends a lot on what you mean by the term. As I talk about in the article, the answer to that is "no" if you mean it in purely psychological terms. It is experienced as a separate intelligence and not as some sort of mental projection from your "unconscious mind" - which is a whole other discussion.
The Holy Guardian Angel is native to Kether, the realm of the Crown Chackra, but you connect with the Holy Guardian Angel and formulate the "mystic marriage" (that is, Knowledge and Conversation) in Tiphareth, the level of the Heart Chackra.
The article I linked to above includes a basic ritual outline for divining the angel's name and also a longer ritual adapted from Crowley's Liber Samekh for obtaining Knowledge and Conversation.
I want to add things i learned to operant equation if i may or the things that influence magical outcome:
1.Mental concentration(intensity,lenght,stability,relaxation etc)
2.Emotional energy investment(strong Will,passion,belief)
3.Visualization(clarity,intensity,also Will)
4.Operant tehniq.
5.I belive this could be what you do in real material world even thru i belive that its best to have above factors used.
Do you ever feel Entity s presence during Conjuration?
As I see it some of those collapse into factors that already exist in the base equation. The operant technique (4) is implied, in the sense that it limits resistance (R) by more fully merging the microcosm and macrocosm.
Emotional energy investment (2) would be included under subtle energetic state (E).
(1) and (3) could fall under a new factor like "clarity of intent" or something like that. This is similar to the idea of message and signal in the context of quantum information, and might be a relevant term to add depending on how it's formulated.
I do know that visualization is not a required term by itself, because I have spoken with people who can successfully do magick and who also have a specific inability to visualize. But if you put (1) and (3) together into a single term corresponding to the intent itself (the message, with the energy term serving as the signal carrier) you might be onto something.
Yes, I feel the presence of entities when I conjure them. As I've mentioned previously, for me it maps more onto "feeling" or "hearing" them rather than seeing them the way hardcore visual scryers say that they do.
If someone wants to influence someone what would it take?
Like once i learned about a tehniqs.Example is one man was drunk years ago.So it was in my interest that he go.I influencee him via one tehniq called Astral pipe.I imagined clearly how he had go(formed a picture )and send him a sugestion "Need to go now".
I imagined a votrex like around him and send him that.
It worked.So if i im in a situation where for example there is rude cashier or smiliar how would i influence then.
Like could i imagine a Scarlett Red colour smoke around them,(maybe Zamael s sigil in it),and send a sugestion to work faster so i get out there and imagining she/he hand me over remaining money or imagining Zamael or red smoke to make her do that along with visualizaton and sugestion.
I guess when you visualize strongly something it tends to materialize especially psychological moods.
Also I was inspired by that man you told me who could knock a gost with its imagining Archangel Michael.
What it takes to influence someone successfully is not a question that I can easily answer. It depends on the person and the situation. A drunk person will be easier to influence, for example, and is probably why you could do it with a simple visualization.
I don't think I would work with Zamael to deal with a rude cashier. You could do a visualization like what you describe, though. I might work with an angel like Sachiel (Jupiter) or Anael (Venus) to make them less rude or something like that. Still, even though I talk about using magick for everything, I don't know that I would bother in that situation. How a cashier treats me doesn't significantly hinder me, after all.
Visualization works like that for some people. Others have more difficulty. Certainly if you are talented in that particular way, there's no reason you shouldn't work to develop it.
I used cashier just as a example.I also think people could be influenced when,angry,tired or when in a good mood.I think it can work because concentrated tought filled with emotional charge can have effect.
Then maximize effect calling a Angel.If it worked for the man who stared at goat there need do be something.So Anael (Venus)could be imagined in Emerald Green and maybe its sigil along with strong visualizaton when someone suddenly meets a girl.
In Liber Samekh could i add YHVH Hebrew letters to ritual?
Guess Yod letter could be in Air section or wait is it Fire.
I mean the formula od creation.
Those are all fine ideas for experimentation. I think it probably will depend not only on the target's state of mind but on the target themselves - some people are naturally more or less resistant to magical effects even if they don't practice, and it's hard to predict that without trying something out on them.
I would think you could probably visualize the letter of YHVH corresponding to the appropriate element along with the elemental pentagram and so forth. I haven't tried it myself, but it doesn't seem to me like it would alter the ritual enough to be problematic.
Do you think that certain people are predispoditioned to succes?
Everyone i guess has a certain state od consiusness on Three of Life and energy movement on Paths?
So aside circumstances like location, money,nationality you have astral predispositions.
Like could the Path Lamed mean restrictions(Geburah don t allow Tipharet to get somewhere),Path or Hierophant(psychological strenght,desire,Will to achieve something,control of oneself),Devil(control of energy and investment on right place),
Chariot(tougness) etc.
Could i by concentrating on particular card develop charachteristic associated with each card?
I would say it depends on what you mean by predispositioned. Everybody has a different collections of advantages and disadvantages, both spiritual and mundane. The point of astrology, in fact, is to map those out using the zodiacal symbol set.
So based on those advantages and disadvantages, some people will have an easier time becoming successful and others will find it more difficult. But I don't think anyone out there is guaranteed success or doomed to failure. The role of magick is basically to increase your advantages so success becomes easier.
Yes, one way to develop the qualities of the Tarot is to concentrate and meditate on each card for a period of time.
What are difference betwen Archangels and Goetia Demons?
Is it hyerarchy ?
Every pantheon got another names for Gods,Angels etc?
If Angel is "alien manifestation of consiusness"then every entity there is manifestation just at different frequency and level.
Like Enchonian and Kabalistic Angels are different yet they have effect on material world.
So if groups and people use a specific symbol and entity conjuration over time does it gain more power?
Is there a simple modifed ritual to call a Goetic demon?
Could i call a Goetic demon in name of a God or Angel so it does not hurt me or tell the God or Angel to send him?
Reason i m interested in Goetic demons is because its believed they are perticulary powerfull.
over workers ime
Generally speaking, angels are celestial spirits (of the Heavens) and demons are chthonic spirits (of the Underworld).
The answer to several of your other questions is that nobody really knows. In the 17th century Thomas Rudd proposed the idea that corresponding angels ruled over the demons, but that's a subject of a lot of debate. The only reason he seemed to make that assumption had to do with the Christian model of celestials and chthonics, which is hopelessly oversimplified.
Chaos magicians originally proposed the idea that entities could become more powerful based on sustained belief from people working with them. That model as written appears to be unsupported as far as I can tell, but it's possible that some similar effect could happen due to a completely different mechanism.
You always call spirits - angels and demons - by a corresponding name of God. It's not just for protection, it's what makes them show up in the first place. You wouldn't just call a demon by the name of angel, but some magicians call the angel in addition to using the godname, especially following Rudd's schema.
There are a number of rituals out there. You would be looking for something like a version of the Lemegeton or the Lesser Key of Solomon.
I wish you luck, but I haven't had a lot of success with Goetic operations. They feel powerful when they show up and the best visual image of a spirit I ever had was during a Goetic working, but the ritual itself was a complete failure in terms of obtaining results. At the same time, I know other magicians who work with them and get the same sorts of results I do with angels - but I wouldn't say that overall the demons are "especially powerful" compared to other spirits.
Hi, Mr. Stenwick!
About your experiences with goetia, which method did you use? Did you follow a script similar to your Planetary Work? Or something different? What would you suggest? Thanks!
We followed the text of the grimoire, but I do not remember what version off the top of my head. It was back in the early 2000's.
I don't feel like I can give you any good suggestions for goetic rituals. I never really got it to work well and abandoned it pretty early on. It's really effective if you want to "see" something during operations, even if you're not a good scryer like me, but I don't care about any of that. When I cast a spell for something, I want it to achieve my objective no matter what happens in the temple. And the goetic operations I tried never worked well in that regard.
In comparison, you see a lot less in the temple with Enochian, but it's way more powerful in terms of accomplishing results. So that's what I specialized in instead. For whatever reason, I have met way more people than I would otherwise think that assume since I'm into Enochian I must be into goetia, when in fact the two systems have nothing to do with each other.
As a point, developing modern scripts along the lines of my planetary work and so forth for working with the goetic spirits is on my list of experiments that I want to perform at some point. But I haven't really gotten to it yet, so I can't report any findings.
@L.H.O.N. I've been calling on spirits from the 72 mentioned in the Goetia using a ritual template very much like Scott presents in his planetary rituals. The spirits do show up although like Scott, I care little for scrying.
So far it's been hit and miss with them in my experience when it comes to practical results.
On one account someone who spent a lot of time in close proximity to the target (coworker) felt a real heavy presence in the work space for some time after I did the ritual and some animals were acting wildly nearby. The target had not suffered a scratch through.
Another time the target fell ill for a month and ambulances were often called to the home. For some reason the target didn't end up hospitalized and they got better afterwards.
The previous examples were obviously curses, but I've had similar results when calling on these spirits for prettier reasons.
Then there were times nothing changed in any way, whereas in most of my rituals I usually notice at least some form of movement with respect to manifesting my intent even if the overall result can be considered a failure in the end.
What you think is the most powerfull magical method to achieve the best probability shift?
Are Goetic spirits sub-lunar spirits i mean more close to Malkhut?I know somewhere here is mentioned that with spirits you need to be literall.
If someone achieve permanent for example Tipharet state can he get in touch with Goetic and Enchonian entities more effectivly without fear for mental health and without protection ?I think somewhere in article is mentioned that Crowley evoked Enchonian entities after he crossed the Abyys ?
The best methods I know are the ones I post here. I don't hold anything back, if that's what you are asking.
Goetic spirits are native to the underworld, which is closer to Malkuth than, say, Tiphareth is. It might be as close as Yesod, but in the other direction. Or something like that. The Tree of Life doesn't model the underworld very well in a number of ways.
Mental health concerns about working with those spirits are vastly overblown. There's no well-documented evidence that there's any connection, despite what some scaremongers out there want you to think.
The biggest danger in working with Enochian entities is just that they're powerful - so you need to be literal about your charge (injunction) and your limitations to keep things from happening in problematic ways - like make xxx happen, without injury to my loved ones, damage to my property, and so forth.
I did K&C years ago but I still use containment structures. They aren't just for protection, they also help to channel the power of the operation.
Could you write a short article on the Lightning Flash (or Flashing Sword) and the Serpent? As I understand it it's kind of a minor thing in the GD, but I'm sure there's at least one person who visits both our blogs who'd be the interested in it :)
I could do it, but you explain much better whereas I'd be like "you visualize that thing going down and the other thing going up and that's it" :D
I generally refer folks back to Mark Stavish, who covers it pretty well in this article:
https://hermetic.com/stavish/rituals/flashing-sword
I'm not sure what else I could add. What sort of thing are you looking for?
Nah it's cool. I referred to them to that article too because it's like the only one out there on the subject :) I thought maybe you could add your view on it, but it's ok so no worries. Stavish's article would do just fine.
If i made a a sigil of a Angel and put it into a Table Of Art virtually i mean on Tablet would it work?
I mean i put tablet in front of me,make sure it don have a screen saver and don t go off and put it in front of me?
I first make sigils on Pc them transfer it to tablet and do?
I never have tried it that way, so I am not sure how well it would work.
Here is what I do. I usually create the character and sigil in black and white on my computer and print it off. The images I use are the ones that I include in my articles here on the blog for the various kinds of operations. You can save them to your computer and just print off copies as needed.
Then, in the proper planetary hour, I ink over the character and sigil using a marker of the corresponding color. It seems to work way better if I ink it - I've tried just using printouts made in the hour, and they don't seem to work as well. Not sure why, but maybe the act of drawing over the sigil is a little like carving or engraving it.
Well i don t have a printer.
I know a man and a shop here where i could print it out but it s a small town
So as usual, feel free to experiment and see what works for you. I just have never tried working with a sigil like that on a computer screen, so I can't give you much in the way of feedback. Logically it sounds like it could work, but without having tried it I can't say for sure.
What you think of first to do God-form Asumption and then give charge to Angel ?
Like for Azbugeh i guess i could imagine Yellow colour ,inside its sign,maybe the letters and merge with it,then give the charge.
Scott are there some good occult novels or novels that you like that deal with occult, magical methods, hypnosys etc?
It is hard to say that one attribution comes before any of the others in godform assumption. What I try to do is imagine/visualize all the relevant associations I can think of that relate to the deity. Colors, signs, and letters can all work depending on how you want to go about it, but there isn't really one that would come before any of the others.
As far as occult novels go, I wrote these two:
https://www.amazon.com/Arcana-Scott-Michael-Stenwick/dp/0984330259/
https://www.amazon.com/Ipswich-Guild-Scott-Michael-Stenwick/dp/0999374400/
They are technically Book 1 and Book 2 of a series, though you can start with either and follow the story just fine.
I will say that they are a mix of fantasy fiction and real magical practices, since the fantasy elements make the story more exciting. I originally set off to write the magick in Arcana more realistically than I did, but the fact is that writing out all the details of rituals tends to lose mainstream readers. I didn't sell that many anyway, but fiction is a tough game to be in no matter who you are.
When passing charges to Angels and Planetary Spirits and Inteligences what would happen if i said to pass the charge to Angelica Order?
Like could the Angelic Order od Sun be called in name od Angel and you tell the charge to Angelic Order?
When doing Liber Samekh how could i Incorporate the name Sesmesh?
Are sumbinal influencing and magick related?When someone for example a politician or someone good in rhetorics influence someone does he used unkowingly magic or visualization in some way?
You can do it that way. I have structured my conjurations like this in the past:
Angel (Atziluth)
Angel Choir/Order (Briah)
Intelligence (Yetzirah)
Spirit (Assiah)
These days I do it this way:
Godname (Atziluth - used in Greater Hexagram)
Angel (Briah)
Intelligence (Yetzirah)
Spirit (Assiah)
Both of those constructions seem to work, so I expect the first would work fine for you.
Samekh is primarily elemental. It does include sections for both passive and active spirit, though, and you can roughly equate the Moon to passive spirit and the Sun to active spirit.
Magick, by definition, is intentional. Nobody uses magick without knowing that's what they're doing. However, some people do have natural psychic talents that make them seem more convincing and/or charismatic to others. Those usually operate without any specific technique behind them. If somebody like that did learn magick and worked with it, they probably could increase their ability to effect change pretty significantly.
Hardly anybody does that, though. Magick is a fringe interest that most people don't know anything about, and one of the issues with it is that getting good takes enough time and dedication that it takes time away from the pursuit of money or political power. Usually the people who are the best in those areas literally have no time to focus on much of anything else.
How do you do Qigong practice ?
I think i saw you comment where you do MP orbit and then Qigong.
So do you do 4-breath tehniqd when you do Qigong?
Like when you breath in 4 sec to highest chakra or Kether,holding breath 4 sec,breath out 4 sec while going thru the lowest chakra or Malkhut.It seem like a nice addition to MP.I think Regardie wrote also something but it s a protection White light circulation.
When I do Qigong I do not use fourfold breath, but mostly because I have asthma and it does not work well for me breathing-wise. If it works well for you, I would think you could use it in conjunction with the various Qigong methods.
Also, what you are suggesting for the MP sounds like a reasonable way to proceed, but note that fourfold breath is not part of the Qigong system and is not required by it. Traditionally Qigong breathing should be deep but still relaxed, and without unnecessary constraints
Is it possible to conjure a Enchonian Angel like in planetary magick?
Just put a sigil into Table Of Art and call it?
There are some specific differences with Enochian. You use the Holy Table and Sigillum Dei Aemeth as your Table of Art, you use talismans which don't necessarily have the kind of sigil you are thinking of on them, and you use the Angelic Keys and/or specific conjurations.
I won't say it's impossible that you could get in touch with an Enochian angel using a simpler method. Dee started off with just a scryer and a crystal. But it works most reliably if you use the proper tools and implements - or at the very least an approximation of them.
My famil member was a POW prisoner of war and 2 or 3 years ago his group or Association of POW won at some European court the lawsuit years ago.So they should be compensated for it?
But my country has corupt burecracy and it just keep it stailing.
So what would be the best Entity to work with to get the compensation ?
I would go with Libra, which rules works of justice and equilibrium. Something like this:
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-zodiacal-work-libra.html
I tought Sun or Earth is for material.Honestly People who want it is just compensation.
Can while invoking Spirits you get results without feeling presence or slight presence?
I mean the results don t have to be eqivivalent to feeling od presence.
I say Libra because it is related to a legal settlement, and Libra is most appropriate for influencing things related to courts and the like. But you could go ahead and cast it as a money spell too, since you should be receiving compensation.
Yes, I have written about that a lot. There seems to be no relation whatsover between what you experience in the temple and how well an operation works in the outside world. Some teachers will tell you otherwise, but that's just not my experience. Some of my most effective operations produced very little in terms of temple effects and/or presence that have worked great. And the ritual that provided me with the clearest evidence that effects could happen in the temple was a complete failure, at least in terms of accomplishing its objective.
While doing Libra ritual i t won t matter i guess if the kamea has numbers or not in terms of effect?
What you think of NLP?Is it really a form of psychotherapy?
Also have you heard about Experiment with pictures of Cola flashing in theather back in 50's?It reported incerasing sale of Cola afterwards.
Is possible s like that to subminally influence.Like pictures or sugestions gets stored in your mind bypassing critical factor and activated without your awarness!
No, you do not need the numbers in the kamea. They are there so you know how to trace the sigil.
Basically, here's what I think of NLP. I am a little harsh in this article, but the fact is that NLP is not nearly as effective as its proponents like to argue. Most experiments done on NLP methods show weak effects or are inconclusive.
https://ananael.blogspot.com/2012/07/nlp-versus-real-science.html
As you can see from the comments, the late Donald Michael Kraig was a big proponent of it.
Now to be fair, experiments have shown that methods like psychoanalysis don't really "work" at all compared to shame therapy. NLP does at least address conditioning loops, and back when the system was developed regular psychotherapy did not. However, modern modalities like cognitive behavioral therapy that do incorporate conditioning loops work far better than NLP does.
And that subliminal messaging "experiment" was a fraud.
https://explorable.com/subliminal-messages
It was never even performed - in 1957 a theater owner made up the results and reported them to the press, which sparked a moral panic about subliminal messages. People have tried to replicate the "experiment" over the years, but have never found an effect under controlled scientific conditions.
So no, I don't think that subliminal messages work. At the very least, there's no scientific reason to think that they do, and if there is an effect it must be too small and/or inconsistent for formal experimentation to identify it.
How Angels do changes in higher worlds so that influence Assiyah?
I read here somewhere that a person can come in contact with significant people when doing Initiations ?Like Angels arrange it if you are a proper vechile.
Do Spirits have more power here compared to Angels and Inteligences?I know you mentioned Angels are smart but using only Spirits would be just a blind force.
Here i read a article about confidence and how it helps you to change you body language ,attlitude etc so i would like to ask does confidence affect Macrocosmos in terms of objektive result or at least inducing moods
As far as how spirits, including angels, make changes, I do not think that the mechanism is fully understood. Yetzirah is the formative world according to magical Qabalah, and the idea is that changes there flow "downwards" into Assiah. But the problem is that's really more like a metaphor than a rigorous description of a process.
Initiations can prompt synchronicities, which can sometimes result in unexpectedly meeting significant people. But there are a lot more ways in which they can manifest - generally speaking, you're looking at improbably coincidences in general in terms of how they seem to work.
"More power" is a hard question. It really depends on what you mean. When I work with angels, intelligences, and spirits I usually conjure all three. That way I have three distinct spirits working on the charge, and they are powerful in different but complementary ways.
Regarding confidence, changing your body language can certainly contribute to practical results, just like any appropriate mundane action that increases your odds of success will help you accomplish your magical goals. Basically if you take mundane actions to help your goals along, your spells won't have to work as hard.
I would say that confidence really is a mood, so it doesn't "induce" anything. If you have confidence, your mood will be confident and most likely positive. I suppose it's true if that's one you mean - if you're confident, you generally will feel good and have positive thoughts.
I don t know did i used enter while writing a qouestion in article of Jupiter so i need to do it again.
Do you call Angel ,feel its presence and then give it a charge and do that again with Inteligence and Spirit or you call all entities and and feel their presence and give it to all three entities?
Is it possible to conjure a spirit from Bardon s Magical Evocation in name od Angel and Inteligence since they both are planetary?I guess you don t need a Wand,magickal weapon like Trindent when doing it while calling in name od Inteligence.
I call the first entity, wait to feel presence, then the second, wait to feel presence, then the third, wait for presence.
Then in most of my rituals I spend a little time vibrating all three names, feel for their presence intensifying.
Then I deliver the charge to all three at once. I don't deliver it multiple times.
In theory the basic idea works on all spirits, but I haven't done much work with Bardon's system of evocation. Spirits from different systems that are related to the same aspect (planet, element, sign) sometimes get along fine with each other and sometimes don't. A lot of the time you just have to try conjuring them and see how they interact.
Could i ask for a article where you wrote about how obssesing about negative toughts can create life problema?I read it but can t find it.It happend to me a couple of times where i obsses with negative things and just day after i got some problem.
Like a state where you feel a Lot od energy just going "out"in stress.
Sorry, I am not sure what you are looking for off the top of my head. There are over two thousand posts on here and I don't have them all memorized.
One of the best things you can do to avoid effects from negative thoughts is to keep up your daily practices as diligently as you can. What happens is that your mind gets used to the idea that your thoughts should only push changes in the material world when you are deliberately doing magick.
Might as well ask here: do you have any experience with Liber 231 - spirits behind Major Arcana?
No, not much practical experience with Liber 231. Is there something specific you were wondering about in relation to that.
From what I came across so far, they're basically spirits behind the Major Arcana cards. Apparently they're two spirits attributed to each card, which to me it seems in a similar way to Agrippa's "intelligence and spirit" - i.e. a "good" spirit and a "bad" spirit. They have their own sigils which look more like older grimoires sigils than sigils generated on a kamea or Rose Cross. And they also have the powers attributed to the specific path of the ToL to which each card is attributed. I think they also have their own invocations or something although I might be wrong, but from what I understand Liber 231 was compiled by Crowley after series of visions over a number or years.
At any rate, have you worked with them so far? Can they be addressed using the usual Qabalistic rituals/ This second question is kinda dumb because since they're attributed to the paths then it's logical they can, but I asked it in light of the possibility of them having their own invocations in which case I was wondering if there's maybe a different approach to them instead of the usual GRH by path.
Right. I have read about them, but have not done any practical work with them. According to Grant, the "bad" spirits are Qlippoth, which to me suggests that they don't work quite the same as Agrippa spirits and honestly are not necessarily something I would bother with.
But there's no reason to think the regular Qabalistic ritual template wouldn't work for them. You have an operant field, you tune the space for the spirit, and you conjure by the regular Qabalistic godname. Of course, that's speculation on my part since I haven't tried it.
Aah, Qliphoth! Makes perfect sense then.
At any rate, do talk about it if you find the time to experiment with them at some point. I for one have no idea when I can do that...
Thanks for the answer!
About Qlipoth and "bad"spirits is iz true that they are more effective and faster then "good"spirits?I read when one is advanced enough he can work with negative energies to be more effective!But i guess it s a myth
Like can someone call Qlipothic forces or negative entities from Three od Death?
I read also some magicians call negative entities to better anulate them.To face them faster then at some point in future but i t s not much written about the subject.
First off, the good and bad distinction is kind of a misnomer. There is a distinction between celestial spirits (angels) and chthonic spirits (demons), but it is not nearly as simple as CHristianity makes it out to be. There are hostile celestials and friendly chthonics. Complicating the issue further, most spirits get along well with some people and not so well with others depending on their personalities.
Qlippoth aren't really even demons. According to the original lore, they are the shattered shells of the original vessels (sephiroth) of the Tree of Life. So they're basically remnants, not even spirits. If that lore is even remotely correct I don't understand the point of working with them. They clearly would be less coherent and likely less powerful than regular spirit entities, both celestial and chthonic.
And in my experience, celestials and chthonics behave differently, and have different conjuring requirements and so forth, but I haven't seen evidence that one is more powerful than the other in an absolute sense. It depends a lot on you, and on your relationship with the particular spirit.
So they can refuse a request without explanation even if it lies in their domain?
Do they refuse a request because a request can be unethical or because they have a moral code?
Maybe they help just to balance people s life ,like no helping for something out of balance?
Spirits are independent beings. Presumably if they could not refuse you, there would not be all the various conjurations to compel them in the grimoires. So sure, they can refuse to do something. Some magicians try to force them to behave, but I usually just find a more agreeable spirit to work with.
Since they're independent beings, I suspect there's no one motivation that applies to every request refused by every spirit. It probably depends on the spirit, the circumstances, and the person doing the requesting.
How much power Spirits or Angel can have in our material world?
Are they bound by any laws?
There are limitations on how far they can push probability, though I don't think anybody knows exactly what those are an how they work. They pretty much have to be related to laws and principles of quantum physics, so by that meaning of "laws" they are limited to at least some degree. But if you mean things like ethical laws and whatnot, generally that's up to the individual spirit. You can't make a blanket statement about all of them.
Can o share a short book with you?
Do you mean the title of a book? Feel free, but I can't necessarily promise when I'll get to it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JE3AN-w2EMU-t_Oq6yaBnut2EE2Td7Ye/view?usp=drivesdk
It s a book from i man i know from Discord.It has only 33 pages.Maybe you like it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JE3AN-w2EMU-t_Oq6yaBnut2EE2Td7Ye/view
Sorry i did n t make it availibe
on Google drive.This link should work.
When doing Zodiac work do you first draw a Planetary Kamea and then a Angels Sigil upon it like calling a Planetary Angel ?
Like for Libra work first Venus kamea then a sigil?
Correct. You can see how I do that in my zodiacal work posts.
http://ananael.blogspot.com/search/label/zodiacal%20work
Ok and every planetary kamea has different colours depending on operation for example Jupiter is Violet for planetary but Jupiter kamea for Pisces is Crimson!
Did you see the link for a book i provide?Could it be useful?
Yes. Violet is for the path of Jupiter and crimson is for the path of Pisces. Blue is for Chesed, the sephira of Jupiter.
I saw your link but have not gotten around to checking out the book yet. I will try to get to that soon, if I can.
When doing a conjuration does a Angel effect the world to the point the charge succed?Like a do conjuration for finding lost things .After a month no result.Does the Angel continue to influence the world?
When doing Initiations do i need special Cup for Elixir Rite?Can i just use a regular unused Cup ?
Yes, your operations keep running until (1) they succeed or (2) they exceed a time limit you specified in the conjuration. That's why I always recommend using time limits, to make sure that operations terminate instead of piling up.
You can use any cup you want for the elixir rites. The magick is in the operation, not the implement, since you are empowering the elixir during the ritual.
If i do a general ritual like invoke Angels for protection Will it affect my charges given to Angels?For example in Greek Magical Papirus there are rites witch involve various God-names and Angels and words like"from any demon or daimoness","protect from harm whenever Day or Nights ".
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